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joewatch

02-13-2005, 08:33 PM

Comments on how I played this please:

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($24)
BB ($41.05)
UTG ($46.68)
UTG+1 ($10.05)
MP1 ($17.15)
MP2 ($33.94)
MP3 ($22.5)
CO ($26.25)
Button ($6)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (8 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $4, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls $4, BB calls $2.

Turn: ($16) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5.55, UTG+1 calls $5.55 (All-In), Hero raises to $11.1, BB calls $5.55.

River: ($43.75) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $8, BB raises to $16, Hero calls $0.40 (All-In).

Final Pot: $68.15
Main Pot: $32.65, between Hero, BB and UTG+1.
Pot 2: $27.90, between Hero and BB.
Pot 3: $7.60, returned to BB.

You can probably guess the outcome. /images/graemlins/mad.gif
Anybody play it differently? Only other way I could see playing this is going all-in on the turn, but I don't know if it would have made a difference.

tbach24

02-13-2005, 08:36 PM

No, no, no, no slowplay.

You will get action from a set.
You will get action from a lower flush.
You will get action from two-pair.

So why slowplay? The only reason you should slowplay is for your opponent to catch up to a reasonable second best hand. All flushes will want to get in on this flop, and if someone has two-pair or a set, then you will be beat when they catchup. Also, don't min-raise.

istewart

02-13-2005, 08:43 PM

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No, no, no, no slowplay.

You will get action from a set.
You will get action from a lower flush.
You will get action from two-pair.

So why slowplay? The only reason you should slowplay is for your opponent to catch up to a reasonable second best hand. All flushes will want to get in on this flop, and if someone has two-pair or a set, then you will be beat when they catchup. Also, don't min-raise.

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jhall23

02-13-2005, 08:57 PM

In addition to what Tbach says, take into consideration that if a fourth diamond comes it could very easily kill your action from the 2-pair/set hands.

joewatch

02-14-2005, 02:15 AM

Here's the hand again, with results.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero ($24)
BB ($41.05)
UTG ($46.68)
UTG+1 ($10.05)
MP1 ($17.15)
MP2 ($33.94)
MP3 ($22.5)
CO ($26.25)
Button ($6)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (8 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $4, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls $4, BB calls $2.

Turn: ($16) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5.55, UTG+1 calls $5.55 (All-In), Hero raises to $11.1, BB calls $5.55.

River: ($43.75) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $8, BB raises to $16, Hero calls $0.40 (All-In).

Final Pot: $68.15
Main Pot: $32.65, between Hero, BB and UTG+1. > Pot won by BB ($32.65).
Pot 2: $27.90, between Hero and BB. > Pot won by BB ($27.90).
Pot 3: $7.60, returned to BB.

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad 4d (flush, ace high).
BB has 3c 8s (full house, threes full of eights).
UTG+1 has Kd 9d (flush, king high).
Outcome: BB wins $68.15. 

Completely surprised me that BB only had 2-pair at the turn since I figured he had made a set on the flop or 2nd nut flush after the turn call. I don't regret slow-playing the flop but the turn might have made a difference if I had gone all-in since the pot would have offered villain about 3.5:1 instead of 7:1 and close to 10:1 implied odds. Do you think players at this level consider these odds in deciding whether to call/fold 2-pair vs. a board 3-flush?