Peter_rus
02-13-2005, 11:49 AM
So as you probably know i can make any queries in PT and this weekend i studied my implyed odds. I think you would find them interesting overall. I counted - how much money gave me certain flopped combinations depending on how much players see the flop and im out of position (in SB or BB). Of course not all of them have decent sample size but many have enough shots to consider.
I did this scan in order to set up my blinds defence more accurate. All results got in next conditions:
1. I called any single raise in BB.
2. I completed in unraised pot SB, or called a single raise in SB.
Sample size - 135K of 15/30.
All results given in terms of $$/hand but you can easily convert them to BB/hand simply dividing number per 30.
So here where go:
1. Flopped pairs+ (two pairs, trips, fulls, quads)
2-way flop
pairs from 2 to 5 +26.03$
pairs from 6 to 8 +24.48$
pairs from 9 to J +19.75$
pairs from Q to A +29.12$
3-way flop
pairs from 2 to 5 +7.23$
pairs from 6 to 8 +10.70$
pairs from 9 to J +24.47$
pairs from Q to A +44.51$
2. two flopped pairs (when you have not PP)
- two pairs when both cards are below 9 +60.92$
- two pairs when at least 1 card is above 8 + 64.78$
2-way flop: + 61.26$
3-way flop: + 63.36$
4-way flop: + 68.02$
5+-way flop: + 63.67$
3. Trips+ (but not a set with PP)
- trips from 2 to 8 (for eg you have 27o and flop is 22K) +79.12$
-trips from 9 to A +101.52$
2-way flop: +52.23$
3-way flop: +85.02$
4-way flop: +113.52$
5+way flop: 157.17$
4. Sets (when you have PP and flop gives your magic card)
-sets from 2 to 5 +138.09$
-sets from 6 to J +144.74$
2-way flop: +90.33$
3-way flop: +169.21$
4-way flop: +132.65$
5+way flop: +166.58$
5. 4card flush draw on flop.
2 way flop: +6.5$
3 way flop: +32.07$
4 way flop: +61.66$
5+way flop: +7.28$ (for the last - sample size isn't enough, but lowering of profit is because many flushes multyway loose money to higher flushes as i believe)
I had problems to evaluate OESD on flop as needed query to determine OESD is way more complicated than flush draw but i suspect that OESD have nearly the same value as 4-flush. It has only 8 instead of 9 outs and straight loose to flush, but it also have more implyed odds as good straights are more hidden than flushes.
As im not a maniac or something postflop out of position you can take with some discounts these numbers to set your own blind defence.
Also i've done some analysis using these gotten implyed odds about defending against certain hands your BB HU.
Conditions: if you flop at least - pair+, 4flush, OESD you don't fold on the flop. Also you don't fold pair till river or 3T+ cards happens on a board and you do not c/r until you have 2pairs+.
1. 27o against AA -1.22BB
2. 27o against AKo -0.52BB
3. 27s against AA -1.07BB
4. 27s against AKo -0.37BB
I did this scan in order to set up my blinds defence more accurate. All results got in next conditions:
1. I called any single raise in BB.
2. I completed in unraised pot SB, or called a single raise in SB.
Sample size - 135K of 15/30.
All results given in terms of $$/hand but you can easily convert them to BB/hand simply dividing number per 30.
So here where go:
1. Flopped pairs+ (two pairs, trips, fulls, quads)
2-way flop
pairs from 2 to 5 +26.03$
pairs from 6 to 8 +24.48$
pairs from 9 to J +19.75$
pairs from Q to A +29.12$
3-way flop
pairs from 2 to 5 +7.23$
pairs from 6 to 8 +10.70$
pairs from 9 to J +24.47$
pairs from Q to A +44.51$
2. two flopped pairs (when you have not PP)
- two pairs when both cards are below 9 +60.92$
- two pairs when at least 1 card is above 8 + 64.78$
2-way flop: + 61.26$
3-way flop: + 63.36$
4-way flop: + 68.02$
5+-way flop: + 63.67$
3. Trips+ (but not a set with PP)
- trips from 2 to 8 (for eg you have 27o and flop is 22K) +79.12$
-trips from 9 to A +101.52$
2-way flop: +52.23$
3-way flop: +85.02$
4-way flop: +113.52$
5+way flop: 157.17$
4. Sets (when you have PP and flop gives your magic card)
-sets from 2 to 5 +138.09$
-sets from 6 to J +144.74$
2-way flop: +90.33$
3-way flop: +169.21$
4-way flop: +132.65$
5+way flop: +166.58$
5. 4card flush draw on flop.
2 way flop: +6.5$
3 way flop: +32.07$
4 way flop: +61.66$
5+way flop: +7.28$ (for the last - sample size isn't enough, but lowering of profit is because many flushes multyway loose money to higher flushes as i believe)
I had problems to evaluate OESD on flop as needed query to determine OESD is way more complicated than flush draw but i suspect that OESD have nearly the same value as 4-flush. It has only 8 instead of 9 outs and straight loose to flush, but it also have more implyed odds as good straights are more hidden than flushes.
As im not a maniac or something postflop out of position you can take with some discounts these numbers to set your own blind defence.
Also i've done some analysis using these gotten implyed odds about defending against certain hands your BB HU.
Conditions: if you flop at least - pair+, 4flush, OESD you don't fold on the flop. Also you don't fold pair till river or 3T+ cards happens on a board and you do not c/r until you have 2pairs+.
1. 27o against AA -1.22BB
2. 27o against AKo -0.52BB
3. 27s against AA -1.07BB
4. 27s against AKo -0.37BB