Oluwafemi
02-12-2005, 10:02 PM
the only pro that i know of that plays Party's $215s and $1065s is Minneapolis Jim Meehan [actionmonkey] and probably every player at that level knows who he is.
the mark of very good players is the ability to ADJUST whether it be based on player styles or number of players at the table [i.e. full and shorthanded], etc. then you have small stack/fast blind poker.
i recently saw Allen Cunningham [wallfly] playing the the $105+$9 Turbos on Stars. although the stacks start at 1500, i watched a few of his tourneys as he was multi-tabling to see how he was adjusting to the fast blind structure. from the ones i watched, he had a 1st, and 2nd and maybe 3 OOTMs. two of those OOTM finishes were due to playing too aggressively with mediocre hands like K 2suited [called an all-in and lost] and A 2suited [pushed all-in with about 2K and lost]. he even raised on the button with 7 8suited, was reraised [shorter stack went all-in], he called and lost. ironically, that lost left him with about 700 in chips with about 6 or 7 players left and he came back and won. i have'nt seen him playing those Turbos sense so i don't have a legitimate conclusion to come to with his adaptation abilities.
seeing as how many good tournament and cash games pros are more skilled [overall] than Party's $215 crop it leads me to thinking how long it would take for them to adjust to Party's structure and become winning players.
based on their playing styles and successes, how do you rate these players and their ability to adapt and stack up against Party's structure and current $215 and $1065 crop?
1. Phil Ivey- very good cash game [world class] and tournament player. maybe the most dangerous shorthanded player in the world, tournament or cash game.
2 Barry Greenstein- very good cash game [world class] and tournament player. very consistent and successful against even the greatest players.
3. Chip Reese- very good cash game player [world class], does'nt play many tournaments. Barry on his website says Chip is the prototype high stakes cash game player and does'nt list any weaknesses and is good at all facets of high stakes poker.
4. Daniel Negreanu- good cash game player and excellent tournament player. along with Phil I and Gus H, arguably on of best post flop players in NL tournies.
5. John Juanda- arguably poker's best all-around tournament poker players [all games].
6. Gus Hansen- good tournament player (mostly no limit). dangerous cash game player but from what i read of Barry's website, no one of their games' consistent winners. arguably has the most gamble out of everybody which probably hurts him more in these cash games than it does NL tournies.
7. David Pham- very good NL tournament player.
8. David Sklansky- the father of poker game theory. read a thread on UPF where he played in a $400-$800 cash game with Phil Ivey in Atlantic City. i think we can assume he is a winning player. other than his WSOP bracelet wins from the '80s, no opinion on how good he is at tournament play but he did author TPFAP.
9. Greg Fossilman- respected, longtime 2+2 poster and player, winner of 2004 WSOP $10000 NL Championship, and cash game player.
10. TJ Cloutier- most major tournament wins than any other player. multiple WSOP bracelet winner, most recent in Razz.
11. Johnny Chan- very good cash game player [world class] and still forminable in tournaments.
12. Howard Lederer- very good cash game player [world class] and tournament player. Barry says on his website that Howard has no glaring weaknesses.
the mark of very good players is the ability to ADJUST whether it be based on player styles or number of players at the table [i.e. full and shorthanded], etc. then you have small stack/fast blind poker.
i recently saw Allen Cunningham [wallfly] playing the the $105+$9 Turbos on Stars. although the stacks start at 1500, i watched a few of his tourneys as he was multi-tabling to see how he was adjusting to the fast blind structure. from the ones i watched, he had a 1st, and 2nd and maybe 3 OOTMs. two of those OOTM finishes were due to playing too aggressively with mediocre hands like K 2suited [called an all-in and lost] and A 2suited [pushed all-in with about 2K and lost]. he even raised on the button with 7 8suited, was reraised [shorter stack went all-in], he called and lost. ironically, that lost left him with about 700 in chips with about 6 or 7 players left and he came back and won. i have'nt seen him playing those Turbos sense so i don't have a legitimate conclusion to come to with his adaptation abilities.
seeing as how many good tournament and cash games pros are more skilled [overall] than Party's $215 crop it leads me to thinking how long it would take for them to adjust to Party's structure and become winning players.
based on their playing styles and successes, how do you rate these players and their ability to adapt and stack up against Party's structure and current $215 and $1065 crop?
1. Phil Ivey- very good cash game [world class] and tournament player. maybe the most dangerous shorthanded player in the world, tournament or cash game.
2 Barry Greenstein- very good cash game [world class] and tournament player. very consistent and successful against even the greatest players.
3. Chip Reese- very good cash game player [world class], does'nt play many tournaments. Barry on his website says Chip is the prototype high stakes cash game player and does'nt list any weaknesses and is good at all facets of high stakes poker.
4. Daniel Negreanu- good cash game player and excellent tournament player. along with Phil I and Gus H, arguably on of best post flop players in NL tournies.
5. John Juanda- arguably poker's best all-around tournament poker players [all games].
6. Gus Hansen- good tournament player (mostly no limit). dangerous cash game player but from what i read of Barry's website, no one of their games' consistent winners. arguably has the most gamble out of everybody which probably hurts him more in these cash games than it does NL tournies.
7. David Pham- very good NL tournament player.
8. David Sklansky- the father of poker game theory. read a thread on UPF where he played in a $400-$800 cash game with Phil Ivey in Atlantic City. i think we can assume he is a winning player. other than his WSOP bracelet wins from the '80s, no opinion on how good he is at tournament play but he did author TPFAP.
9. Greg Fossilman- respected, longtime 2+2 poster and player, winner of 2004 WSOP $10000 NL Championship, and cash game player.
10. TJ Cloutier- most major tournament wins than any other player. multiple WSOP bracelet winner, most recent in Razz.
11. Johnny Chan- very good cash game player [world class] and still forminable in tournaments.
12. Howard Lederer- very good cash game player [world class] and tournament player. Barry says on his website that Howard has no glaring weaknesses.