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milesdyson

02-12-2005, 09:09 PM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, Button folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

milesdyson

02-12-2005, 09:49 PM

This hand too mundane? /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

guitarhero14

02-12-2005, 10:00 PM

I think you played it fine. You had your flush draw then hit top pair. I might have raised the turn b/c of all your outs, but you did just fine. I would like to see the results once everyone has had a chance to review this hand.

hate

02-12-2005, 10:02 PM

what else can you do? looks good to me, can't raise on the flop. I don't know about the turn, should you be raising with the extra 5 outs you've got to the nine and tpnk? Can't get a read on what SB has from the flop action, think I'd play the same.

reubenf

02-12-2005, 10:08 PM

I think I'd have raised the turn to get MP2 to fold T&A. But I don't know, it's a small pot.

Nick C

02-12-2005, 10:26 PM

It's quite possible that Hero pulled ahead on the turn. If he did, we need to consider whether we want to put pressure on MP2 or not. He probably won't fold something like JT (or probably any 10), but Hero should make a hand like JT call two cold. An unimproved ace-rag hand would be more likely to fold to a raise (than a hand that contains a ten would), but that ace-rag hand would have 5-6 outs against Hero, and having him fold it and then having SB just call would be better than letting MP2 stay in for one bet, which would leave two opponents drawing against Hero with the same money in the pot.

So the main reason not to raise the turn, I think, is the possibility that Hero is drawing and might get 3-bet.

And while that certainly is possible, and it's also possible that driving MP2 out will sacrifice at least one bet that could have been obtained from MP2 on the river, I think I like the idea of raising the turn. Hero could be best and also just picked up additional outs, those times that he isn't best.

Once Hero just calls on the turn, though, I like going for the overcall on the river.

reubenf

02-12-2005, 10:31 PM

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we need to consider whether we want to put pressure on MP2 or not. He probably won't fold something like JT (or probably any 10)

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I'm slow -- why will a 10 call two cold in this small pot?

Nick C

02-12-2005, 10:34 PM

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we need to consider whether we want to put pressure on MP2 or not. He probably won't fold something like JT (or probably any 10)

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I'm slow -- why will a 10 call two cold in this small pot?

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Possibly he won't, but my thinking is that many micro-limits and small-stakes players are loose postflop and are willing to make incorrect calls.

milesdyson

02-12-2005, 11:18 PM

Turns out - in this hand - that I had huge equity on the turn. But I probably play it the same way in the future.

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Td 5 11.90 37 88.10 0 0.00 0.119
Kh 5h 34 80.95 8 19.05 0 0.00 0.810
As Qd 3 7.14 39 92.86 0 0.00 0.071

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, Button folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results below:
SB has Qs Td (one pair, queens).
Hero has 5h Kh (one pair, kings).
MP2 has As Qd (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.50 BB.

EliteNinja

02-13-2005, 12:01 AM

Raise the turn for value, you've got top pair and a strong draw. Also, you gotta protect your hand against the 2 after you.

hate

02-13-2005, 12:09 AM

We've got no idea what the other two have. The one ahead of us has just been betting out, but gotten no opportunity to 3-bet on the flop. I like the chances of us winning UI on the turn, but I don't like having to call a 3-bet to unknowns.

pointcount

02-13-2005, 12:25 AM

I raise the turn also.

caggin

02-13-2005, 12:41 AM

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Turns out - in this hand - that I had huge equity on the turn. But I probably play it the same way in the future.

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Td 5 11.90 37 88.10 0 0.00 0.119
Kh 5h 34 80.95 8 19.05 0 0.00 0.810
As Qd 3 7.14 39 92.86 0 0.00 0.071

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What software are you using to calculate win percentages?

Thanks!