Hm

What venue?


Online 6-5 Pick'em.


Live? Jennifer crushes him. No question. All you 18-20 year-olds that think I'm wrong, well you have no clue yet.


MS Sunshine


-What exactly is it i dont know ?

I've got to admit it, it is an intriguing concept...


bill

Erik123....are you really that young??

You're already an internet poker god.

What I meant was that top online pros, while having good card sense and a real feel for the game, are not in the same league as the pros in the Bellegio high games.


Jennifer has been at the top of her game for a long time, it takes skills not present in online poker to take the money from her. And tournament wins carry little weight on the raised platform. IMHO


MS Sunshine

"What I meant was that top online pros, while having good card sense and a real feel for the game, are not in the same league as the pros in the Bellegio high games.


Jennifer has been at the top of her game for a long time, it takes skills not present in online poker to take the money from her."

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Theres no question about this.


Although jennifer's a tame example. Most of the guys who play 1gazillion-2gazillion dont think she plays all that well. But remember thats all relative. We're talking about the best in the world. Johnny World, Ted, and Chau.


Of course- maybe the main point to bring out here-is that these guys are superstars in every game you throw at them. Make one up- they'll be a superstar in no time. Most of the top online pros- who only play online (im not singling out erik- in this post)- can only play hold'em.


Fact is- while a top online pro may be A REAL REAL good hold em player. It would be real hard to classify most of these guys as good poker players- in the truest sense. And certainly- wouldnt be able to hold their own in a game with john, ted, chau, jennifer, howard l. etc.

I am curious- when you say "what exactly is it i dont know?"


Do you mean- you're aware of what MS is implying?

Or do you think- hes wrong?

I just mean that ( i think ) that mt ganme would hold up pretty well against most of the so called superstars of poker and that my reasoning and logic is very deep and i have no reason to belive that my age would have anything to do with that. For that matter i have played with alot of the best on the neetso i dont understand why it would be a totally different thing if we hold the cards in our hands.

Because every1 has tells, just hope you see them before they pick up on them.


Big Difference.

It isnt the tells erik. For whatever its worth--

I think youd be a nice sized favorite over her- if you guys played at paradise, ub, or wsex.


If youve never experienced 'home-field' advantage in poker- you cant understand how much its worth.


I dont underestimate your depth of understanding- or your ability- trust me.

Home field advantage? What planet precisely did you read that one on? I admit there is a difference between live play and internet play, but its only small, It's not like Erik has never been in a casino or something, or do you believe in table presence?

Really you guys read too much card player.

"I admit there is a difference between live play and internet play, but its only small"


I dont agree. But thats not what i was talking about.


I was talking about playing in different venues.

Whether it be live v. online- or more specifically one B&M v. another B&M.


The issue is knowing who you're playing with, who's dealing to you, what the chips feel like, where the bathroom is. Its simply psychologically feeling comfortable with your surroundings.


I dont read card player much. The last issue i read was probably a year and a half ago. This is from personal experience- and from the experience of other world class players (im not implying im a world class player- or even a very good player).


The thing that holds most people back- is not being open to new ideas. What im talking about- exists. You might not have dealt with it before- or it might not affect you as much as it does another player. But it exists. It is not 'codswallop'.

This sounds even more absurd than the previous post. If I am playing cards, I am certainly not going to be unsettled by not knowing the dealer,or having to ask where the bathroom is (I hope I can remember after the first time I ask) or if they have free peanuts at the bar instead of crisps, it has no relevance to the cards i get dealt. In a tournament it may be awkward adjusting to a new blind structure or something, but in a heads up game at fixed hold em it's totally irrelevant.


I have played many times in many casinos and can honestly say that this makes zero difference. (I wouldn't fancy stepping off the plane in Vegas and walking straight into a casino, Id need a day to adjust to jet lag-the one exception)


Home advantage in cards?! That's possibly madder than cashout curses, bots , teams of cheats and MSSunshines list

Then im mad. It affects me. Im more comfortable playing in an environment im familiar with- and with players im familiar with.


Im willing to accept im mad-- and im glad you dont have the same hangups i- and alot of other good players i know- do. That can only be to your advantage.

I agree.What's up baby?

One aspect where I would totally agree with

Dolores is if you were used to internet or B&M play

and your opp wasn't.


If you are used playing 1 hand a minute in your

local casino, but then get thrown online and

are playing 5 a minute, that can really throw

you off (and vice versa). Or perhaps you

are used to an internet site with a slow

server.


If 2 people were both primarily live players,

there still COULD possibly be a psycholgical

edge that exists.


Not only is knowing the players important, as

would be used in a ring game,

but I can also relate to having a feeling

of superiority in my local card room, and losing

it when traveling out of town.

For 2 years, I took more money, hour for hour,

off the table than anyone IMO. I was the king

and that was my castle. The hell if I was going

to let anyone dethrone me.

We used to make four hour journeys to play tourneys, and I promise you, the incentive not to come back empty handed is just as strong

Everything you say is ABSOLUTELY true- and exactly what i was talking about-- among other things. Of course- i cant speak to what a losing player may feel at different casinos. Maybe its all the same. I dont know.

"and I promise you, the incentive not to come back empty handed is just as strong"


You mean- 'as strong as codswallop'? Or are you saying that- in fact- there may be something to this maddening idea of 'home field' advantage. /images/smile.gif

The two things that are the same are the desire to win on home ground and the desire to "bring it back home" on alien turf.

I feel that knowing the players is balanced by players not knowing you.

I have been a pro poker player for ten years now, of lower stakes than you admittedly, and can assure you that my results do not change significantly from casino to casino, other than my results in the north of the country used to be better because the players were worse.


Those of you that find strange circumstances daunting should maybe arrive at the casino a day earlier to get familiar with where the restrooms are and to adjust to the different decor colours, maybe you could bring a photo of your home casino with you?

"I have been a pro poker player for ten years now, of lower stakes than you admittedly"


The stakes are irrelevant. Your experience is- AT THE ABSOLUTE LEAST- no less valuable than mine.


"and can assure you that my results do not change significantly from casino to casino"


Again- this can only be a positive for you. Im sure this means you have less psychological hangups than i do- and it can only help you in the long run.


"Those of you that find strange circumstances daunting should maybe arrive at the casino a day earlier to get familiar with where the restrooms are and to adjust to the different decor colours, maybe you could bring a photo of your home casino with you?"


LMAO. I never leave the house without one. Actually- who am i kidding-- i never leave the house.