AKs: I raise, get reraised....

[DonButtons]

NL Hold'em Trny:9484435 Level:6 Blinds (75/150) - Saturday, February 12, 01:34:57 EDT 2005
Table Multi-Table(242195) Table #8 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: g4295 ( $6720 )
Seat 5: eurtrader ( $3189 )
Seat 6: ccchun ( $5005 )
Seat 7: ExtremeRob ( $2500 )
Seat 8: SCOOPTHELOOT ( $2382 )
Seat 9: thrums1 ( $3615 )
Seat 10: bads33d ( $7530 )
Seat 1: Nouri ( $3195 )
Seat 4: eXwYZeguY ( $1160 )
Seat 3: Biemma ( $3970 )
Trny:9484435 Level:6
Blinds (75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bads33d [ Ad Kd ]
thrums1 calls [150].
bads33d raises [450].
Nouri folds.
g4295 folds.
Biemma folds.
eXwYZeguY folds.
eurtrader raises [1500].
ccchun folds.
ExtremeRob folds.
SCOOPTHELOOT folds.
thrums1 folds.
bads33d ??

Important side notes:

Blinds are 75/150. 151 people left out of 480 in a $100 NL multi on party poker. Avg stack is 3200

My notes on the villian: Not that good of a player, on the fishy side. Called my check/raise on the turn before, with a gutshot draw, and called large bet on a river before with bottom pair when he missed gutshot. Q7 btw.

Whats my move?

[schwza]

looks like a pretty clear push to me. getting all-in for 20x with AKs isn't terrible against an unknown and it sounds from your read like he could be splashing around with AJo or something.

[Swede]

A push might get a call from AQ. Otherwise picking up the pot right here seems fine to me.

[skoal2k4]

If he's a fishy player, I think you gotta put him all in. Should you lose, you're still above average stack with low blinds.... so, push

[wAzZu24]

This seems like a standard push situation, but im not so sure. I kind of like folding and keep your 7100, still 4000 more than average. I want to play against this guy postflop, not preflop. Postflop he calls you with gutshots and bottom pair, exactly what you want him to do. I probably would have mindlessly pushed and hoped for the best, but if you fold and leave it behind you youre still the table leader and in a great spot to continue on strong in the tournament. I was watching (although not in my best state =]) so i know what you did, looking forward to hearing why.

[Haiku Answer]

Fish note makes it clear
Slick too good to lay down here
Push and be happy

[USS Gut Shot]

From your description it seems the fishy player may tend to be more of a caller. In that case his reraise may be a very good hand.

You can still cansider pushing here, but with double the ave stack and the table lead a strong case can be made for folding.

Good post...

[Absolution]

Against a clueless player I think it's an easy call. He'll have weaker aces and KQ enough of the time to probably turn this profitable. I'd say you're about 60% to win against the hands he's likely to hold: AA-TT AK-AJ and KQ.

Against a good player this would be hitting the muck very quickly.

[BlackAces]

I think it's a push for sure, especially out of position.

[DonButtons]

I'll post the results and my though process after I get some more responses. Since this is a situation that comes up often in multi tables, it might be good to discuss about it.

[bugstud]

I move in. Getting a 10k stack here would give me a lot of leverage to win the whole tourney, if you lose you're still above average. If he's especially dumb he may fold something that you want to fold or call with AQ/AJ/KQ or whatever other junk he may have.

[NLfool]

seems to me a raise of almost exactly 1/2 of his stack is indication of hand that is strong/he likes but difficult to play postflop something in the range 99-QQ

Defacto you've got to put in ~2700 more to win ~6750 (if you assume you both are committed to this pot)I think you win this better than 40% so I'd have to say push.

Plus factor in this is your best chance at this guy's chips. The way you describe it, he is very liable to lose it all to someone before you get any of it.

I guess by the tone you lost this hand but given all the pertinent info you've given I'd assume it's a standard push

[housenuts]

is there any sense at all to simply calling? either check/fold if you miss or do a stop n go. the stop n go is probably the better of those 2 options but chances are very unlikely he's folding preflop to a push.

[NLfool]

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is there any sense at all to simply calling? either check/fold if you miss or do a stop n go. the stop n go is probably the better of those 2 options but chances are very unlikely he's folding preflop to a push.

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I guess that's an option but stop n go seems futile as I think folding equity is very miniscule. I've observed people call a big raise for about 1/2 their stack then fold to a stop n go but not vice versa, making a 1/2 stack raise then folding to a stop n go