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guitarhero14
02-11-2005, 11:48 PM
what would you do?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, CO calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero....</font>

Final Pot: 8.50 BB
davelin
02-12-2005, 01:55 AM
Certainly don't bet. I don't love the turn bet.
Redd
02-12-2005, 02:01 AM
I'm gonna do what I usually do and follow davelin around posting 'I agree!' after each of his posts.

I agree!

I'm actually gonna add that I wouldn't bet the turn myself. Everyone's got a reason to call and you only have one overcard to clean up.

Redd
guitarhero14
02-12-2005, 04:07 AM
Thank you for your replies. Here is what I did.


River: (7.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ts Kc (high card, king).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.50 BB. </font>
pointcount
02-12-2005, 10:36 AM
check call the flop
check call the turn
check fold the river.
DeadManJay
02-12-2005, 12:05 PM
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check call the flop


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My math might be a little bad, so correct me if I'm wrong. Why would you say don't bet the flop? Looking at EV if the hero can get at least 3 callers out of the 5 it break even. If he could get 4 its EV+.

I give the hero 6 outs here to the nuts taking away the Qd and 7d. With 6 outs and 2 cards left he has ~24% chance of hitting.

3 callers(.24x3)-(.76x1)=-.04 Close enough to even here
4 callers(.24x4)-(.76x1)=.20
5 callers(.24x5)-(.76x1)=.44 This would be great value.

This is assuming that someone out there has 2 diamonds in their hand also. So in reality I would give these hands a bit more value than whats listed.
Nick Royale
02-12-2005, 01:03 PM
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3 callers(.24x3)-(.76x1)=-.04 Close enough to even here
4 callers(.24x4)-(.76x1)=.20
5 callers(.24x5)-(.76x1)=.44 This would be great value.

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This is correct. But you'll also have to take into consideration that you'll split the pot with if another T is out and you hit a 7. i think discounting this to ~6.5 outs would be appropriate.

I don't think a bet would be bad, but I prefer check/calling (raising if the bet comes from a good position). OTOH on these super micros a bet might be better, since you'll often get many callers with bad hands.

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check call the turn
check fold the river.

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With this I totally agree.