Flame this JJ

[sourbeaver]

I always find myself kinda puzzled by these flop all-ins at Party 6-Max, these players are driving me krazy (what a pun !)

Table Table 14286 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ( $48.15 )
Seat 3: ( $54.45 )
Seat 5: villain ( $52.75 )
Seat 6: ( $57.91 )
Seat 10: ( $87.55 )
Seat 8: hero ( $47 )

Hero in SB

** Dealing down cards **
Hero [ Jd Jh ]
folds.
folds.
villain calls [$1].
calls [$1].
hero raises [$4.5].
folds.
villain calls [$4].
calls [$4].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 5c, 3d ] 3 players (pot around 15)

hero bets [$10].
villain is all-In [$47.75]
Hero calls.

[sourbeaver]

Sry, BTW, no read on player, this is my first orbit at the table.

[theredpill5]

Isn't udrawout playing his set the proper way on a coordinated board ? That is what I would assume unless he is an idiot and has 7 7 - 99 .

[Raven]

If you know them to be aggressive you are ahead enough of the time to be correct IMO. They really could have hands like A5, 86 and especially 88-99.

[sourbeaver]

Yeah that's why I think my call is not real good here, but I'd like to know if there's a case to be made for the call, given the circumstances (party, 6-max..), I don't want to start using that as an excuse to call all the time either.


And oops, forgot to change the names at the end there, lol.

[sourbeaver]

But against an unknown, you'd fold then ?

[maldini]

i call. i'd expect to see 34 (i think he'd play 2 pair or a str8 a bit slower), 45 or 56 or an overpair under yours. he could also have squat like AK or AQ.

[Raven]

Against an unknown in the 50$ NL Its a tough decision, but I think I would tend toward a call. Yes you will find a set some of the times, but you will find a lower pocket pair or a pair of fives a lot more I think. A made straight would not raise all-in here also.

[Snag]

I'd make this move with a set against any typical party fish, because I know most typical party fish are not going to get away from most any overpair. Lay it down, and wait for a you're more sure of.

[soah]

It's been a very long time since I've played the 50NL, but at 100 I'd call this against an unknown 100% of the time. You can expect to see 22-TT frequently, maybe even Ax from some people. You are in good shape against that range of hands.

[Raven]

what would you do against a typical party fish if you had TT and you were the second one to talk after the 10 $ bet ?

[edge]

[ QUOTE ]
It's been a very long time since I've played the 50NL, but at 100 I'd call this against an unknown 100% of the time. You can expect to see 22-TT frequently, maybe even Ax from some people. You are in good shape against that range of hands.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree--at Party 50, this is a sure call against an unknown.

[bholdr]

i dunno about a call. the hero raised preflop so villan has to be aware of the overpair possibility... i may have folded.
who pushes into that bet/PF raise without a hand?

[soah]

Every hand that can beat ace high.