Are Most Swedes Incapable of a Cogent Political Discusion?

[Wake up CALL]

Lately a certain Swede has been posting quite often in this forum yet seems incapable of posting anything useful or at least both coherent and on topic. Some may say the same about me, if you feel that way please feel free to start your own thread and do not hijack this one.

I postulate that living (and being born in) in Sweden one may simply be incapable of understanding the intricate thought processes involved when discussing politics in America. This could be considered a handicap of sorts but since he is not an American I don't fear any repercussions from the ACLU by criticizing his mental acuity.

Perhaps this post is more of a rant than anything else but if you have a strong opinion one way or the other (and you are not Swedish) I welcome the chance to discuss other opinions.

[Felix_Nietsche]

Although he and I rarely agree, he is respectful and usually supports his positions with a reasoned argument.

[Il_Mostro]

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Although he and I rarely agree, he is respectful and usually supports his positions with a reasoned argument.

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Ohh, I belive Wakey here is talking about me. It seems Wakey have a hard time loosing an argument.

[Il_Mostro]

This is the best you can do?

[Wake up CALL]

For any of you who may have misunderstood my post I am looking for opinions in this thread for people of any Nationality other than Swedish as I expect them to be somewhat biased. I hope this clarifies matters. Thank-you.....

[BadBoyBenny]

I like hearing the opinions of the Swedes on this board.

[Felix_Nietsche]

I like hearing the opinions of the non-Americans on the board. Although it is quite rare when I can find any common ground with them. It does give me a mini-insight of the different perspectives on world politics.

By the way, who is that chick on your avatar?
I like the way she dances. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Felix_Nietsche]

...American Conservatism.

In the USA we have talk radio (Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, Michael Savage, G.Gordon Liddy, etc...) which does a good job of explaining conservatism and why modern liberalism has failed. We also have Fox News which presents two sides of issues and lets the viewer decide...

Europeans do not have access to the same information and their opinions are heavily influenced by their media. As a result many suffer from a group-think hive-mentality. The simply do NOT have the same choice of information that we Americans have... And European leaders like Chirac pass laws making expressing unpopular viewpoints to be called hate speech and therefore subject to fines and imprisonment.

There is only one solution for the English Speaking Europeans, we need to go to www.rushlimbaugh.com (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com) and buy them a year subscription to Rush24/7. Let "El Rushbo" lead those European heathens to the fountain of knowledge so they may quench their thirsty lips for 3 hours a day, 5 days a week. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Perhaps we should start an Adopt-an-European fund to collect donations so they can listen to Rush 24/7. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
I'll donate $1......

[andyfox]

The intricacies of politics in America were most recently publicly discussed by Geroge Bush and Nancy Pelosi, so the mental acumen to do so can't be too demanding.

If a particular Swede doesn't discuss politics in an apt or coherent way, by your reckoning, why would you postulate that all Swedes couldn't do so? That would be the same thing as my postulating that all Republicans don't know how to pronounce the word "nuclear" just because the President doesn't. Or that they all governors think Hubert Humphrey was a Communist because the governor of California said he was.

[BadBoyBenny]

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By the way, who is that chick on your avatar?

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Don't to OOT much? She was all the rage about a week ago. Some French singer named Alizee. I've always been about a week behind the times.

[Cyrus]

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Lately a certain Swede ... seems incapable of posting anything useful or ... coherent.
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I postulate that ... [by] being born in Sweden, one may simply be incapable of ... intricate thought processes.

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In other words, you are saying that from one Swede you have postulated a theorem concerning all Swedes, right?

...I can't wait to see you giving advice at the Probability Page! /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[MMMMMM]

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I like hearing the opinions of the Swedes on this board.

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Yes, I do too; it's a bit like a contrarian indicator of sorts.

[MMMMMM]

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That would be the same thing as my postulating that all Republicans don't know how to pronounce the word "nuclear" just because the President doesn't.

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Andy,

I think he knows how.

[MMMMMM]

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Lately a certain Swede ... seems incapable of posting anything useful or ... coherent.
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I postulate that ... [by] being born in Sweden, one may simply be incapable of ... intricate thought processes.

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In other words, you are saying that from one Swede you have postulated a theorem concerning all Swedes, right?

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Bzzzzzt! Wrong again, Cyrus! There is nothing in that quote to indicate that he is basing it on ONE Swede. For all you know he could be basing it on multiple Swedes, and just felt like mentioning by way of example a certain Swede who has been posting a lot recently.

You should automatically be aware of the non-implied aspect of his post. If you would wisely acquire the habit of more precise automatic thinking it will likely save you (or others;-)) untold griefs in the future.

[Felix_Nietsche]

True....whenever I'm undecided about a political issue.

I ask as many Europeans what their opinions are of this political issue and then....I take the opposing side. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Cyrus]

"There is nothing in that quote to indicate that [Wake Up CALL] is basing it on ONE Swede. For all you know he could be basing it on multiple Swedes, and just felt like mentioning by way of example a certain Swede who has been posting a lot recently."

Just as I expected. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

OK, then, let's settle it: Let's have Wakey come forth and tell us who are these "multiple Swedes" on which he is basing his "postulate", or what other basis he has for it, e.g. meeting "multiple Swedes", reading a lot about Swedes, journeys to Sweden, studying Swedish culture and history, or watching Swedish movies, etc.

Swedish porn don't count.

[MMMMMM]

Wake up CALL could be basing it on various Swedes who have posted in this forum, Cyrus. And I think that for this purpose you qualify as an honorary Swede.

[andyfox]

Based on what evidence? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[MMMMMM]

He knows how, but at this point is unwilling to give his detractors the satisfaction of seeing him change.

[Cyrus]

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Wake up CALL could be basing it on various Swedes who have posted in this forum.

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So why not allow Wakey to explain things? He is prefectly capable of making a fool of himself without your help.

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I think that for this purpose you qualify as an honorary Swede.

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Yes, I'm sure the last defence will be to use the term metaphorically. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[MMMMMM]

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Wake up CALL could be basing it on various Swedes who have posted in this forum.

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So why not allow Wakey to explain things?

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By pointing out your logical error I am not letting Wake explain things for himself? I didn't say what he is doing; only what he might be doing--for the benefit of those who constantly read more into things than is written, ahem.

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I think that for this purpose you qualify as an honorary Swede.

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Yes, I'm sure the last defence will be to use the term metaphorically.

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So, you think you're a metaphor now, eh, Cyrus? Tell me, does this represent an improvement over the old Cyrus?

[Wake up CALL]

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In other words, you are saying that from one Swede you have postulated a theorem concerning all Swedes, right?


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Dear Cyrus,

How many snakes must bite you before you consider the possibility that most if not all snakes might be capable of biting you? No need for you to answer since I'm sure your response would be so obscure that only a Swede might understand.


As for probability are you still jealous that BruceZ and Mason don't allow you to post there any more?

[Wake up CALL]

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I like hearing the opinions of the Swedes on this board.

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As do I, heck, I even like hearing an opinion expressed by Cyrus now and again. That alone doesn't mean they have any real value outside of providing a bit of entertainment upon ocassion. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Wake up CALL]

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Perhaps we should start an Adopt-an-European fund to collect donations so they can listen to Rush 24/7.
I'll donate $1......


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I too would be willing to donate Felix. Anyone here know how many Kronor a US dollar will buy? (This is not an invitation for a response from a Swede) /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Never mind it will only purchase 0.141369 Kronor, no wonder they are doing so poorly educating their young!

[Wake up CALL]

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If a particular Swede doesn't discuss politics in an apt or coherent way, by your reckoning, why would you postulate that all Swedes couldn't do so?

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My only response Andy is in the form of a question. Haven't you ever witnessed a snakebite either? /images/graemlins/smile.gif You and Cyrus must hang out at the same parks.

[TransientR]

Fox News presents two sides of an issue and lets the viewer's decide? That is the funniest and most ridiculous thing I have heard today.

As for Rush "my maid was my drug mule" Limbaugh, a semi-intelligent windbag like him wouldn't last long in real debate outside the confines of his brainwashed "ditto heads."

Frank

[Wake up CALL]

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I like hearing the opinions of the Swedes on this board.

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Yes, I do too; it's a bit like a contrarian indicator of sorts.

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Well said MMMMMM. I hadn't considered the contrarian nature of the Mad Swede as useful before. It is a bit like using the the smart money vs the public's when choosing which team to bet in a sporting event.

I wonder if Swedes bet on curling? It apperars not, since now they want to ban sports in Sweden.

Sweden wants to ban sports hooligans (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/OtherSports/2005/01/14/898537-ap.html)

Who would they have left to attend the games? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Koller]

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We also have Fox News which presents two sides of issues and lets the viewer decide...

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Who cares about Fox News or CNN? /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Fox Sports is a joke. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Koller]

Are Most Swedes Incapable of a Cogent Political Discusion?

No.

[Wake up CALL]

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Are Most Swedes Incapable of a Cogent Political Discusion?

No.

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Thanks for your input Koller. Might you be willing to comment on my proposed solution for the countery of Sweden?

My Solution for Swedes Meddling in US Politics (http://mothra.rerf.or.jp/ENG/A-bomb/photo-1/p2.jpg)

AndyFox might enjoy this link! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[andyfox]

And yo usay this based on what evidence?

[andyfox]

The essence of bigotry. Take a feature of the natural world, say, after getting bitten by a snake, that all snakes are capable of biting. And then assume that, ipso facto, since one Swede made an illogical argument (if indeed he did), that all of them do. While I can't tell if you're serious or not, of such thinking was scientific racism born.

This is what my friend M has done concerning liberals. The moderate leftists have swallowed hook, line, and sinker, according to him, the thinking of the radicals.

Please don't tell us some of your best friends are Swedes.

[Koller]

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Thanks for your input Koller.

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Your welcome. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

First Bombs Away on Finland and now bombs away on Sweden. I like your ideas.

Bombs away on Finland (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=1218790&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;sb=5&amp; o=&amp;vc=1)

If their general population is anywhere near as incoherent and liberal as Koller then the world is better off without the entire country.

This miserable little country is a succubus in the center of the European Union and should be dealt with severely. Perhaps France and Germany will like us again if we eliminate this living leech.

Good times. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Keep up the good work! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[andyfox]

Apparently, all conservatives are incapable of conducting a political discussion without resort to the threat of violence.

[Wake up CALL]

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Apparently, all conservatives are incapable of conducting a political discussion without resort to the threat of violence.

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Threats are useless without actually following through. That is what conservatives are good at, finishing what they begin.


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Please don't tell us some of your best friends are Swedes.


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Not a single one Andy, nor are any of them Liberals. I must be able to trust my friends.

[Wake up CALL]

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While I can't tell if you're serious or not, ...

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You really think I might be building an atomic bomb in my basement and booking my flight on Aktiebolaget Aerotransport to deliver my message in person? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Felix_Nietsche]

"Apparently, all conservatives are incapable of conducting a political discussion without resort to the threat of violence."
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Please good fellow, don't paint with such a broad brush. Consider the words of the quote below:

"The essence of bigotry. Take a feature of the natural world, say, after getting bitten by a snake, that all snakes are capable of biting. And then assume that, ipso facto, since one Swede made an illogical argument (if indeed he did), that all of them do. While I can't tell if you're serious or not, of such thinking was scientific racism born."

Hmmmmmmm........are these quotes by the same person?
Hmmmmmmm........ /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[TransientR]

Yeah,

Fox Sports is pretty funny too... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Frank

[Koller]

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Aktiebolaget Aerotransport

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Vodka Airlines /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Koller]

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whenever I'm undecided about a political issue.

I ask as many Europeans what their opinions are of this political issue and then....I take the opposing side. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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/images/graemlins/grin.gif Good job Felix!

I like your style. You're smart and funny. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Il_Mostro]

This is hilarious. I don't think I have ever won a debate by this much before, imagine, I got my own hate-thread, just because Wakey can't defend his position using logic and/or skill.
My bagel is going to be extra tasty today.

[Cyrus]

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So, you think you're a metaphor now, eh?

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Well, no, but I used to think that one of your initials stood for Metaphor. Lately, I have come to see it may mean something else. (Nothing that's on the title of this post, either.)

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I didn't say what [Wake Up] is doing; only what he might be doing.

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Wakey might be saying a lot of things. I have explicitly chosen to proceed on the assumption I made that he postulated a theorem on the basis of a severely limited knowledge of Sweden and Swedes. And I have based this assumption both on a straightforward understanding of Wakey's very words AND on Wakey's demonstably limited general knowledge and his difficulty in formulating logical conclusions.

Limitations that apply equally to his self-apppointed defender in this thread. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Il_Mostro]

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Never mind it will only purchase 0.141369 Kronor

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You're not very good at math, are you?

[Wake up CALL]

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You're not very good at math, are you?


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Not really. Tell me again how this is relevant to the topic of this thread. Also you might note I have politely refrained from correcting all your spelling and grammatical mistakes since it appears English is not your primary language. This is another example of the Swedish personality and inability to stay on topic. Nit-picking and attempting to change the subject are just two obstacles in an attempt to communicate with a Swede.

To correct my math error I believe $1 US will indeed purchase 7.07450 Kronor.

I might note that you have not disputed my postulation although several of your Liberal cronies have come to your aid. An excercise in futility for them if you ask me.

[Il_Mostro]

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Tell me again how this is relevant to the topic of this thread

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Well, considering that you seem to be drawing some sort of conclusion based on exchange rates when saying this:
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Never mind it will only purchase 0.141369 Kronor, no wonder they are doing so poorly educating their young!

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It seems to me it is important to get it right. Especially since this completely reverses your statement.

I'd be interested in knowing exactly what type of conection you make between exchange rates and schools as well, there really is no apparent connection.

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I might note that you have not disputed my postulation although several of your Liberal cronies have come to your aid. An excercise in futility for them if you ask me.

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Yes, an excercise in futility since it's so obviously is a riculous statement to start with. I refuse to let me be dragged down to your level. Give me examples and I'll debate you, but I will not debate you silly "postulate".

[Cyrus]

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Dear Cyrus, How many snakes must bite you before you consider the possibility that most if not all snakes might be capable of biting you?

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Dear Wakey, I didn't know that a Swede had bitten you! And, no, I don't wannna know the sordid details.

But, seriously, what makes you think that the Swedish aspect of the poster that got you on tilt is the aspect that's responsible for his "bite"? It could be a number of things. (Have you considered that he might be, for instance, a soccer aficionado? They are all crazy.)

Still, the fact remains that your abilities of deduction are simply amazing. From one Swede to all Swedes. Onwards to the poker tables!.. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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As for probability are you still jealous that BruceZ and Mason don't allow you to post there any more?

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On the contrary, I'm comped to dinner at the Probability Room if I bring entertainment with me. Are you up to it?

[MMMMMM]

I can see it in his eyes when he says it. Try watching closely next time he uses the word.

[MMMMMM]

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This is what my friend M has done concerning liberals. The moderate leftists have swallowed hook, line, and sinker, according to him, the thinking of the radicals.

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No Andy, they have not swallowed the thinking but rather the propaganda (re. the evils of the U.S., etc.). In other words, the Far Left demonizes in a highly unbalanced fashion (propaganda), and the moderate Left says, "Well, yeah, OK; I can kinda see it that way too." The message then persists and grows and eventually is taught in our schools.

[Wake up CALL]

Cyrus,

I believe you have slept since reading my initial post. I never intended to make any absolute statements about all Swedes. I merely speculated that perhaps most Swedes are unable to discuss American politics rationally, much like yourself.

It may be their environment, their upbringing, heredity, the influence of their neighbors, their school systems or many other factors. I was hoping for some suggestions as to the cause or why one might either agree or not agree with my thoughts. So far from you all I've seen are incorrect quotes in an attempt to twist the meaning of my words, par for the course from you although I think if you concentrate you might be capable of more.

[Aytumious]

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I was hoping for some suggestions as to the cause or why one might either agree or not agree with my thoughts.

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Your proposition is quite absurd and unfounded therefore you are getting the expected responses of jokes, bizarre criticisms and the like.

[Wake up CALL]

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I was hoping for some suggestions as to the cause or why one might either agree or not agree with my thoughts.

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Your proposition is quite absurd and unfounded therefore you are getting the expected responses of jokes, bizarre criticisms and the like.

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But do you agree or disagree with me?

[superleeds]

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It seems Wakey have a hard time loosing an argument.

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And you would think he would be used to it by now.

[Aytumious]

I just think it was clear from your original post that you were trying to deduce the ability for rational political discourse by Swedes from your limited exposure to them on this forum, which is pretty funny in my opinion. I can't agree or disagree because I don't have enough info to make a proper judgement.

[superleeds]

... thinking for themselves

[Wake up CALL]

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I just think it was clear from your original post that you were trying to deduce the ability for rational political discourse by Swedes from your limited exposure to them on this forum, which is pretty funny in my opinion. I can't agree or disagree because I don't have enough info to make a proper judgement.

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Thanks for your response, in other words you have nothing useful to add to my quest for knowledge about this subject. Funny how often that happens, Are you trying to get your post count up?

Also I find it amusing that you think my exposure to Swedes is limited to this (or any) internet forum. Are you by chance related to our resident forum psychic Cyrus? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Il_Mostro]

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Are you by chance related to our resident forum psychic Cyrus?

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Now now Wakey, you have already been shown that you conjure up meanings that are not stated in the text. It seems a bit silly to point fingers and accuse others of a behaviour you yourself are very guilty of.

[Aytumious]

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Lately a certain Swede has been posting quite often in this forum yet seems incapable of posting anything useful or at least both coherent and on topic.

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It seemed clear to me that you were basing your thesis on the posts of a specific Swede in this forum and I simply pointed out how ridiculous that would be. If you were not doing this, then I misread your original post. And please, don't lump me in with Cyrus...that man takes more abuse than I would care to stomach for the privilege to post on 2+2.

[Wake up CALL]

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Are you by chance related to our resident forum psychic Cyrus?

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Now now Wakey, you have already been shown that you conjure up meanings that are not stated in the text. It seems a bit silly to point fingers and accuse others of a behaviour you yourself are very guilty of.

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Untrue and this is the final time I will address your contention. Since you have not been posting here all that long I was referencing something Sam H wrote many months ago on the same subject. You like most Swedes seem to think that if you are unaware of something that it does not exist.

[Wake up CALL]

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If you were not doing this, then I misread your original post. And please, don't lump me in with Cyrus...that man takes more abuse than I would care to stomach for the privilege to post on 2+2.


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LOL, fair enough, I never meant to do something so offensive. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Thanks again for your reply. Although I certainly had one Swede in mind his rantings only brought to the surface something I had considered for quite sometime.

[MMMMMM]

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And please, don't lump me in with Cyrus...that man takes more abuse than I would care to stomach for the privilege to post on 2+2.

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Aytumious, please rest assured that Cyrus dishes out a lot more abuse than he takes on this forum. You have only witnessed the tail end of the cycle; that is, the chickens are now coming home to roost in Cyrus' case.

[Il_Mostro]

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Since you have not been posting here all that long

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Yes. Well, you regged all of four months ahead of me, so...

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referencing something Sam H wrote many months ago on the same subject

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Well, considering SamH didn't agree with you I think it's fair to assume that you are mistaken, unless of course you can show me this statement that you are refering to.

[Aytumious]

Fair enough. Actually, I figured as much about why you posted, but your wording wasn't clear which led to most of the posts in this thread, including mine, of course. But to comment about your question, it is very likely that since the political culture there is so different from that of the US, especially Republicans in the US, that it is possible that both groups are effectively speaking in foreign tongues on political questions and that discourse on the topic would be difficult.

[Il_Mostro]

Ohh, and btw
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You like most Swedes seem to think that if you are unaware of something that it does not exist.

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How, exactly, do you know this? Talked to a lot of Swedes lately, have you? Somehing like 5-6 million or so, depending on your definition of "most"?

[Felix_Nietsche]

True....and 70% of them are liberals. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[superleeds]

You have no quest for knowledge on this or any other subject. Your initial post was some lame attempt at aserting your superiority over Swedes and by extension anyone else who doesn't think in your narrow and retarded way.
As usual you have failed appallingly and come over as even dumber than most think you already are.

[Wake up CALL]

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Well, considering SamH didn't agree with you I think it's fair to assume that you are mistaken,

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That is simply another example of the Liberal doublespeak to which I have refered to in the past.

As far as not registering that long before you I have posts in the old old archives from before you ever completed your GED.

[Wake up CALL]

Stuporleeds, you have mistaken me for a Liberal, althtough I'll never guess how.

[TransientR]

Yes, that is intelligent, once you start on a course of action, you follow through no matter how much evidence piles up that your initial decision was wrong.

Frank

[Wake up CALL]

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Yes, that is intelligent, once you start on a course of action, you follow through no matter how much evidence piles up that your initial decision was wrong.

Frank

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Allow me to guess. You voted for the flip-flopper. Right? Another Liberal loser flip-flopped his way to a loss. Still stings doesn't it? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[lastchance]

You mean Bush43?

Thought he was against nation-building and all that we're doing right now in Iraq.

[vulturesrow]

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You mean Bush43?

Thought he was against nation-building and all that we're doing right now in Iraq.

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Yes he was, which is why I have to laugh when ever someone places Bush in the "vast neocon conspiracy". However, I hardly think the flip flopper label fits Bush. It seems reasonable that a President might rethink his foreigny policy stance after 3000 citizens are killed in a terrorist attack.

[lastchance]

Vultures, what are you saying? Having one stance and sticking with it shows fortitude, morality, and conviction. Changing your stance shows none of this. Do you want to make unsure decisions? Do you like not having conviction to follow through on anything?

[vulturesrow]

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Vultures, what are you saying? Having one stance and sticking with it shows fortitude, morality, and conviction. Changing your stance shows none of this. Do you want to make unsure decisions? Do you like not having conviction to follow through on anything?

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I see where you are going with this and frankly I have no wish to hijack this thread with issues that were debated endlessly leading up to the election. Yes I think conviction is a good thing to a point. My point was that in this case, 9/11 was a paradigm shifting event and thus changing his stance on foreign policy could hardly be termed wishy washy.

[lastchance]

Forgive me for screwing around.

In my defense though, it would not be a bad thing if this thread was hijacked.

[vulturesrow]

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In my defense though, it would not be a bad thing if this thread was hijacked.

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I couldnt agree more.

[Kaz The Original]

What is this, a smear campaign? I refuse to read any posts in this thread.

[TransientR]

You know what...I did vote for the "flip-flopper." You voted for Bush..after four years of demonstrable corruption and failure..how sad is that?

Frank

[Il_Mostro]

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That is simply another example of the Liberal doublespeak to which I have refered to in the past.

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As soon as you show me wrong I will concede. I do that, you know. But I find it hard to belive that anything Samh has said in the past merits you to draw the (100% certain) conclusion that he "unknowingly" agreed to anything.

When are you going to tell me what connection you make between exchange rate and schools?

[Wake up CALL]

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What is this, a smear campaign? I refuse to read any posts in this thread.

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I'm heartbroken. Just curious as to how you knew what the thread was about without reading a single post. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[lastchance]

Well, is he wrong?