Banned....

[freakintemp]

I assume it was because of my highly offensive Osama/"I hate america" avatar/loc (which was not my choice), but I found my account banned this morning. Every time someone complained about it, I referred them to my Open Challenge opponent. Should there be any problem getting unbanned for this? It's been an hour and I still haven't heard back from Matty. Do you think a PM or email works better?

Thanks,

The poster formerly known as Freakin

[mmbt0ne]

Now THAT is a pwning.

Ni Han zephed.

[jakethebake]

Things have gotten really crazy around here with this stuff. Last week my avatar of fully-clothed Alizee in concert was removed.

[sublime]

whining morons. blame the FCC.

if you dont get your account back i think it is a mistake by Matt.

[Sponger15SB]

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I assume it was because of my highly offensive Osama/"I hate america" avatar/loc (which was not my choice)

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I would like to point out that whoever made your avatar stole my idea! (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=1463500&Foru m=All_Forums&Words=america&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&M ain=1462532&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=10714&d aterange=1&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertyp e=&bodyprev=#Post1463500)

[cnfuzzd]

if you dont get it reopened, let us know, maybe we can deluge mat with a barrage of pms.

peace

john nickle

[Dynasty]

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Every time someone complained about it, I referred them to my Open Challenge opponent.

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You should have removed the avatar youself. I don't know what this Open Challenge is (I'm assuming it's an avatar bet) but it doesn't matter. Getting banned is exactly what you should have expected.

[Boris]

Fascist.

[Greenthumb]

seems pretty cut and dry that matty is a pickle sniffing meat handler.
Love,
Greenthumb
ps i dont really post much or care if i get banned, hence the honesty

[Broken Glass Can]

I agree with the Ban first and ask questions later policy. 2+2 is getting too big for Mat to have to send out polite requests all the time. The burden to be reinstated is upon freakin, not Mat. I expect he will reinstate freakin when he gets around to it.

OTOH, you have to wonder about the people who are complaining about such a nonsense avatar. Half the people who post on the Politics forum hate America, if we banned them all, who would I get to laugh at every day?

I just hope he doesn't ban interspecies bestiality. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[AngryCola]

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Getting banned is exactly what you should have expected.


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Why?

I guess anything offensive to SOME people qualifies for a ban now.

Scary.

I don't like this new overzealous moderation.

[Dynasty]

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Getting banned is exactly what you should have expected.


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Why?

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If you can't figure out why using the picutre of the man who orchestrated the murder of thousands of people in New York and Washington is not welcome here, then you're clueless.

Why is it that some people act all high and mighty to defend the rights of the Osama picture (others have used it before)? But, they then get upset when 2+2 exercises its rights to remove that person from their privately owned discussion board? Since when are the rights of insensitive jerks more important than the rights of a typical citizen?

[pshreck]

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Getting banned is exactly what you should have expected.


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Why?

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If you can't figure out why using the picutre of the man who orchestrated the murder of thousands of people in New York and Washington is not welcome here, then you're clueless.

Why is it that some people act all high and mighty to defend the rights of the Osama picture (others have used it before)? But, they then get upset when 2+2 exercises its rights to remove that person from their privately owned discussion board? Since when are the rights of insensitive jerks more important than the rights of a typical citizen?

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Good post. The same exact issue came up a few years back on the CAL boards (competitive gaming) with posters who were using nazi themed avatars. If the board is privately run, and the moderators and members dont like it.... get rid of it. Its not oppression, its just the will of the private group.

[AngryCola]

Dynasty,

You have to understand that I wasn't just talking about this instance.

It seems Mat has gone ban happy lately with accounts AND avatars.

You are completely right about about it being a privately owned forum. They can obviously do what they want to.
But lately I'm beginning to wonder why these decisions are made while some of the biggest trolls get off without any 'punishment'.

As for the Osama avatar. Yeah, it could be offensive to some people.

But not to me. It's a picture.. that's all. The picture didn't kill lots of people.

For me, silly things like avatars (no matter what they are) aren't something I can get offended about. If I really thought Freakin loved Bin Laden, it would be a different story.

*NOTE*
I'm offended by things people say and do on this forum, just like anyone else. But those thoughts don't lead me to say, "Lets get rid of this person."

[jakethebake]

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Why is it that some people act all high and mighty to defend the rights of the Osama picture (others have used it before)? But, they then get upset when 2+2 exercises its rights to remove that person from their privately owned discussion board? Since when are the rights of insensitive jerks more important than the rights of a typical citizen?

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2+2 owns the board and can do what they like. None of us has a natural "right" to be here. But I'm not sure why anyone cares what his avatar is, or why it would be offensive. I seriously doubt he was advocating anyone follow Osama.

It seems the new trend is not to heed the views of the majority here. Instead the mods have taken the tact that if 50 people like an avatar, but one complains then it should come down. The problem is, you con find someone that finds almost anything offensive. People here just need a thicker skin. It's gotten ridiculous.

[AngryCola]

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. The problem is, you con find someone that finds almost anything offensive. People here just need a thicker skin. It's gotten ridiculous.

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It's weird when I find myself totally agreeing with jake.

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Ya know ... I'm about as liberal as they come. All for free speech, yada yada yada. But I was at the WTC on 9/11. And I didn't like the avatar. What I really wondered was why someone would choose it. Is it supposed to be funny? I don't think I see the humor. What is it supposed to say about "freakin"?

I really would have preferred that "the masses" would have told "freakin" that the avatar sucked. But then again, I didn't say anything either.

I'm all for bad taste and against "the man" telling us what we can and can't say (I know, this is a private forum blah blah blah). But that avatar (without an explanation) ... I just didn't get it and don't have a problem with its disappearance.

One last thing: there is a whole lot in avatars that may be offensive to one person that's not offensive to someone else. But the guy killed 3000 people -- Americans -- my neighbors and my friends. That's offensive to everyone, no? So please excuse me when my usual thick skin doesn't respond all that well to the picture. I'm sorry, I just don't get the use of the avatar.

[Dynasty]

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But I'm not sure why anyone cares what his avatar is, or why it would be offensive. I seriously doubt he was advocating anyone follow Osama.

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Symbols are important to people. That's why they put flags on their front porches or wear t-shirts of their favortie sports team. It's part of the way we communicate our thoughts and feelings.

Symbols aren't just pictures or pieces of cloth. They represent broader beliefs. And, in the case of Osama's picture, they represent support for his actions and ideology.

Stop pretending you don't understand.

[Michael Davis]

I better change mine.

-Michael

[Lumpy]

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I better change mine.

-Michael

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You mean you are not Charles Manson?

[Michael Davis]

No, I gave an incorrect answer in the serial killer question thread started by jason_t.

-Michael

[tripdad]

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Things have gotten really crazy around here with this stuff. Last week my avatar of fully-clothed Alizee in concert was removed.

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i could always tell when one of those alizee avatars were in a thread, because it made crawling thru the thread too slow(old computer at work). i'm glad it got removed.

cheers!

[sthief09]

I suppose my banning is probably coming

[AngryCola]

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And, in the case of Osama's picture, they represent support for his actions and ideology

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If you say so.

I generally agree with you Dynasty, but not here.

To me, a picture is just a picture.

Obviously I "don't understand", but I don't think my attitude is at all unreasonable.

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Even if some people find it offensive, I don't see why freak had to be banned for it. Mat could have easily just removed the avatar like he has done with others.

Unless freakin did something else to deserve this, I think it's an overreaction.

[jakethebake]

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But I'm not sure why anyone cares what his avatar is, or why it would be offensive. I seriously doubt he was advocating anyone follow Osama.

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Symbols are important to people. That's why they put flags on their front porches or wear t-shirts of their favortie sports team. It's part of the way we communicate our thoughts and feelings.

Symbols aren't just pictures or pieces of cloth. They represent broader beliefs. And, in the case of Osama's picture, they represent support for his actions and ideology.

Stop pretending you don't understand.

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True. Symbols are important to people. But all symbols aren't important to all people. And all offensive symbols aren't offensive to all people. What i may find offensive, you may not, but I shouldn't try to change your actions simply because I find something distasteful.

Regardless of that...My point was really that it seems that if a single person finds something offensive, it's banned lately. I find a majority of your ridiculously fascist, socialist posts offensive to my sense of patriotism and idea of what this country stands for. But that doesn't mean I constantly pm mat asking to ban you. That would be stupid.

[Sponger15SB]

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I suppose my banning is probably coming

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I doubt anyone would miss you sheef07

[eric5148]

I find Lumpy very offensive, he's a fat dork.

But for now, he can stay, cuz I bet $40 on him to beat Jerry Kelly this week and he's winning. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[jakethebake]

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And, in the case of Osama's picture, they represent support for his actions and ideology.

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So you really belive freakin is an Osama supporter? I guess we now know which idiot complained about it. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Broken Glass Can]

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True. Symbols are important to people. But all symbols aren't important to all people. And all offensive symbols aren't offensive to all people. What i may find offensive, you may not, but I shouldn't try to change your actions simply because I find something distasteful.

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Given the above:

1) let 2+2 decide how tough or lax they want to be

2) let 2+2 decide which areas they find more offensive than others (sex pictures, terrorist pictures, personal attacks, spam, etc.)

3) put the burden on the poster to keep their act clean (Ban first, reinstate later at 2+2's option) We should not presume that this banning is final btw.

[Jack of Arcades]

Lame. Why is a picture of Osama a bannable offense but pornography isn't?

While using 2+2 website, you may not post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, profane, or otherwise objectionable information of any kind

[jakethebake]

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Given the above:
1) let 2+2 decide how tough or lax they want to be
2) let 2+2 decide which areas they find more offensive than others (sex pictures, terrorist pictures, personal attacks, spam, etc.)
3) put the burden on the poster to keep their act clean (Ban first, reinstate later at 2+2's option)

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You completely mkiss the point BGC. You really think that Mat should ban your current avatar because I find it distasteful and pm to complain. That would be ridiculous. Yes. Mat can do that if he wants. It's his right, but it's pretty senseless.

[AngryCola]

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1) let 2+2 decide how tough or lax they want to be

2) let 2+2 decide which areas they find more offensive than others (sex pictures, terrorist pictures, personal attacks, spam, etc.)

3) put the burden on the poster to keep their act clean (Ban first, reinstate later at 2+2's option)

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Umm... okay?

This is how things already are, and we are all aware of that fact.

It still doesn't change the validity of what jake said.

Of course 2+2 decides...
What we are discussing is whether some of those decisions have been correct.

[freakintemp]

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Ya know ... I'm about as liberal as they come. All for free speech, yada yada yada. But I was at the WTC on 9/11. And I didn't like the avatar. What I really wondered was why someone would choose it. Is it supposed to be funny? I don't think I see the humor. What is it supposed to say about "freakin"?


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Again, I did not pick the avatar. I do not find it particularly humorous. The open challenge is a monthly contest that pairs players of similar habits. These pairs compete to see who can play more hands in teh month. The winner of the two gets to pick the loser's avatar/location for the next month. That's why PJN's avatar talks about being Brian's bitch, and why Zephed's avatar for the whole month of January was gay batman & robin. Many people participate in this challenge every month. Many people also complained about my avatar, either in threads or in PMs. I expected it. When I would get a complaint, I would tell them it was from losing the open challenge, and they should tell Zephed to change it.

Freakin

OK gotcha. Sorry for not understanding before.

[Dynasty]

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Ya know ... I'm about as liberal as they come. All for free speech, yada yada yada. But I was at the WTC on 9/11. And I didn't like the avatar. What I really wondered was why someone would choose it. Is it supposed to be funny? I don't think I see the humor. What is it supposed to say about "freakin"?


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Again, I did not pick the avatar. I do not find it particularly humorous. The open challenge is a monthly contest that pairs players of similar habits. These pairs compete to see who can play more hands in teh month. The winner of the two gets to pick the loser's avatar/location for the next month. That's why PJN's avatar talks about being Brian's bitch, and why Zephed's avatar for the whole month of January was gay batman & robin. Many people participate in this challenge every month. Many people also complained about my avatar, either in threads or in PMs. I expected it. When I would get a complaint, I would tell them it was from losing the open challenge, and they should tell Zephed to change it.

Freakin

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You can't blame this on Zephed and this Open Challenge. You should have been smart enough to know this would get you in trouble here.

[freakintemp]

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And, in the case of Osama's picture, they represent support for his actions and ideology.

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So you really belive freakin is an Osama supporter? I guess we now know which idiot complained about it. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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That was my guss... see here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=exchange&Number=1709645&Fo rum=f20&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=1708942& Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=17634&daterange=1&n ewerval=1&newertype=w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodypre v=#Post1709645)

Freakin Banned

[Broken Glass Can]

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You really think that Mat should ban your current avatar because I find it distasteful and pm to complain. That would be ridiculous. Yes. Mat can do that if he wants. It's his right, but it's pretty senseless.

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If he thinks it is offensive, I have no problem with him banning it. I think he knows that will generate more work down the road when I send him a PM, so I don't think he is going to do it for no reason.

Why should the burden be on Mat to PM someone and ask them to change their avatar. I think he has taught dozens of posters on this forum to think before they link by doing this one banning, and has reduced his future work as people will not push the envelope as much. Smart move Mat. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[AngryCola]

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Why should the burden be on Mat to PM someone and ask them to change their avatar.

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Your argument still isn't a good one.

Mat routinely REMOVES avatars he deems offensive.
He doesn't automatically ban the accounts.
That's my problem with this whole thing.

Unless freakin did something else, I don't see why his questionable avatar situation was treated differently from others.

[Dynasty]

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And, in the case of Osama's picture, they represent support for his actions and ideology.

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So you really belive freakin is an Osama supporter? I guess we now know which idiot complained about it. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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That was my guss... see here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=exchange&Number=1709645&Fo rum=f20&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=1708942& Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=17634&daterange=1&n ewerval=1&newertype=w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodypre v=#Post1709645)

Freakin Banned

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If this really concerns you, I did not contact Mat or anybody else about this.

[BusterStacks]

Regardless of the reasons for/against certain avatars, in this particular instance, Freakin should absolutely not be banned.

[Broken Glass Can]

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Why should the burden be on Mat to PM someone and ask them to change their avatar.

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Your argument still isn't a good one.

Mat routenly REMOVES avatars he deems offensive.
He doesn't automatically ban the accounts.
That's my problem with this whole thing.

Unless freak did something else, I don't see why his questionable avatar situation was treated differently from others.

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Maybe Mat was getting tired of having to routinely remove avatars. One little banning generates a long thread, educates everyone, and reduces this "routine" work for Mat in the future. Seems like a good strategy to me.

[jakethebake]

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You really think that Mat should ban your current avatar because I find it distasteful and pm to complain. That would be ridiculous. Yes. Mat can do that if he wants. It's his right, but it's pretty senseless.

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If he thinks it is offensive, I have no problem with him banning it. I think he knows that will generate more work down the road when I send him a PM, so I don't think he is going to do it for no reason.

Why should the burden be on Mat to PM someone and ask them to change their avatar. I think he has taught dozens of posters on this forum to think before they link by doing this one banning, and has reduced his future work as people will not push the envelope as much. Smart move Mat. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Yes. It's much better to force the majority to comply with the ridiculously thin-skinned sensibilities of a few, than actually allow people to have a little fun. Makes perfect sense. And by the way, Mat didn';t just remove the avatar, he banned Freakin completely.

[AngryCola]

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Maybe Mat was getting tired of having to routinely remove avatars.

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So that should make it everyone else's problem?

I see.

[freakintemp]

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Why should the burden be on Mat to PM someone and ask them to change their avatar.

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Your argument still isn't a good one.

Mat routenly REMOVES avatars he deems offensive.
He doesn't automatically ban the accounts.
That's my problem with this whole thing.

Unless freak did something else, I don't see why his questionable avatar situation was treated differently from others.

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Thats what confused me... I figured that it would disappear if he didn't like it, just like he deletes rakeback requests from n00b posters in the zoo. He doesn't instantly ban their accounts. I still haven't heard back from him, so I honestly don't know if there was something else I did. Only things I've done recently is claim a 2001FP will get you laid more, and that liquid fabric softener is the nuts... Or maybe it was spoiling part of the plot line for the current season of 24? I'm sure thats it... Matty has it Tivod, and hasn't had a chance to watch the last 2 weeks episodes.

Freakin

[freakintemp]

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And, in the case of Osama's picture, they represent support for his actions and ideology.

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So you really belive freakin is an Osama supporter? I guess we now know which idiot complained about it. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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That was my guss... see here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=exchange&Number=1709645&Fo rum=f20&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=1708942& Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=17634&daterange=1&n ewerval=1&newertype=w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodypre v=#Post1709645)

Freakin Banned

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If this really concerns you, I did not contact Mat or anybody else about this.

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I suspect it's more likely that mat saw complaints about it in several threads and did something about it.

[Broken Glass Can]

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Maybe Mat was getting tired of having to routinely remove avatars.

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So that should make it everyone else's problem?

I see.

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We are here of our own free choice. We have to follow the rules (whether we think them too strict or not). Mat OTOH has a thankless job to perform on a ever growing forum.

Yes, it is our job to not make problems for Mat imo, and he should make it everyone else's problem to post responsibly.

[AngryCola]

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I still haven't heard back from him, so I honestly don't know if there was something else I did.

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You'll hear from him. He probably just isn't in right now.
I suspect you will get your account back.

I hope so. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[jakethebake]

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Maybe Mat was getting tired of having to routinely remove avatars.

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So that should make it everyone else's problem?

I see.

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We are here of our own free choice. We have to follow the rules (whether we think them too strict or not). Mat OTOH has a thankless job to perform on a ever growing forum.

Yes, it is our job to not make problems for Mat imo, and he should make it everyone else's problem to post responsibly.

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So you really think your avatar doesn't offend anyone? You think you're being more responsible than freakin?

[AngryCola]

You didn't really answer my question, but it's irrelevant to me anyway.

Btw, your point about mat letting this happen just so a thread gets started in which we all discuss these matters is not a good one either.

The last time something like this happened, mat deleted the entire thread. Nice.

[Broken Glass Can]

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So you really think your avatar doesn't offend anyone? You think you're being more responsible than freakin?

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I don't think people are any more offended at mine than at a cat attacking a toddler. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

We have both had our avatars for over a month without anti-avatar comments as freakin experienced in those threads he linked above.

[freakintemp]

So if someone said they found your avatar offensive, you would immediately change it, or fear banning? I agree completely with removing offensive avatars, but not with banning accounts for it.

Freakin

[Broken Glass Can]

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Btw, your point about mat letting this happen just so a thread gets started in which we all discuss these matters is not a good one either.

The last time something like this happened, mat deleted the entire thread. Nice.

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The way people are lemmings around here (how many Alizee avatars were there?), if Mat had to do everything one poster at a time, he would never catch up.

Deleting the thread after we have been educated on how to behave, still accomplishes the education. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[freakintemp]

The sponger thread got killed in the middle of discussion.

Freakin

[AngryCola]

I find your avatar offensive on several levels.

There's your complaint. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Broken Glass Can]

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So if someone said they found your avatar offensive, you would immediately change it, or fear banning? I agree completely with removing offensive avatars, but not with banning accounts for it.

Freakin

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I would probably only make a change if I thought people had honest and real objections to it. I'm not worried about being banned, I'm happy to post under a new name if I must. My avatar is basicly just a "pwn3d" avatar with a political bent.

I expect you to be reinstated, Mat is a reasonable person. And he certainly got everyone's attention.

[AngryCola]

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And he certainly got everyone's attention.

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Okay?


It's not as if we didn't all know how mat has been acting with avatars recently.

He already had our 'attention'.

Where have you been? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Broken Glass Can]

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I find your avatar offensive on several levels.

There's your complaint. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I bet more people are offended at my location than my avatar. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SomethingClever]

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You can't blame this on Zephed and this Open Challenge. You should have been smart enough to know this would get you in trouble here.

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What's he supposed to do? Welch on the bet?

Read the El Diablo/GoT thread on Boggle.

He has to at least put the avatar up temporarily... perhaps he could have asked Zephed to change it after he began getting complaints.

But not putting it up after losing the bet would be stupid.

[Mars357]

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Getting banned is exactly what you should have expected.


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Why?

I guess anything offensive to SOME people qualifies for a ban now.

Scary.

I don't like this new overzealous moderation.

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Perhaps it it sime for you to start your own forum on your own site....

[AngryCola]

Your response doesn't make sense.

So since we frequent this board, we have to agree with EVERYTHING the owners do with it? Just because we have to accept things doesn't mean we always have to like and/or stay silent about it.

Give me a break.

[freakintemp]

Still banned 6 hours later.... still no response from Matty....

Freakin Frustrated

[daryn]

freakin go away

[freakintemp]

I'm stuck at work.... I wish I could....

Glad to know I've got a friend in Daryn.

Freakin

[Sponger15SB]

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I don't think people are any more offended at mine than at a cat attacking a toddler.

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He wasn't attacking it....he was just trying to give it a hug.

Clearly your accusations represent a right wing conspiracy?

[zephed56]

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I assume it was because of my highly offensive Osama/"I hate america" avatar/loc (which was not my choice), but I found my account banned this morning. Every time someone complained about it, I referred them to my Open Challenge opponent. Should there be any problem getting unbanned for this? It's been an hour and I still haven't heard back from Matty. Do you think a PM or email works better?

Thanks,

The poster formerly known as Freakin

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Oh crap.

[Voltron87]

I think Mat should remove an offending avatar once. If another avatar of a similar offending nature is posted, a ban is in order. So freakin's and slickpoppas avatar should have been removed immediately, and if another similiarly offending (more boobies/terrorists) one is put up a ban is in order.

That said freakin what did you expect? If you put up an Osama avatar and Loc I hate America and you're angry about being banned, get a clue.

[mmbt0ne]

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I don't think people are any more offended at mine than at a cat attacking a toddler.

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He wasn't attacking it....he was just trying to give it a hug.

Clearly your accusations represent a right wing conspiracy?

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I'm Ron Burgundy?

[freakintemp]

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I think Mat should remove an offending avatar once. If another avatar of a similar offending nature is posted, a ban is in order. So freakin's and slickpoppas avatar should have been removed immediately, and if another similiarly offending (more boobies/terrorists) one is put up a ban is in order.

That said freakin what did you expect? If you put up an Osama avatar and Loc I hate America and you're angry about being banned, get a clue.

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I didn't expect to keep the avatar all month. I also didn't expect the first course of action to be banning. Other offending avatars have been removed. Lets say you take a two hour lunch from work. If you get caught, what do you expect the consequences to be--a reprimand, or a firing? While it is completely within their right to fire you, does that seem like the obvious response?

Freakin

[zephed56]

Alright guys, this really sucks for Freakin. I hope he gets his account back. I will promise to give him some lame gay avatar or something. Let me think of something. (how about george bush saying I love America?)

I apologize to anyone who was offended by the avatar, especially if it hit home for you.

Mat, give him back his username and I'll change his avatar. Thanks.

[Voltron87]

I know other avatars have just been removed, but Osama =/= boobies.

Seriously, you have only yourself to blame for this.

[zephed56]

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I know other avatars have just been removed, but Osama =/= boobies.

Seriously, you have only yourself to blame for this.

[/ QUOTE ]
Have you been reading this thread?


Also, I am an American.

[Voltron87]

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Have you been reading this thread?

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No.

All I'm going on is that he had an Osama avatar (I've seen it) and Loc: I hate America.

[ThaSaltCracka]

who is the idiot that picked your avatar?

[freakintemp]

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who is the idiot that picked your avatar?

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Zephed56:
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Have you been reading this thread?

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Freakin "pwn3d by Zephed" Aye

[Voltron87]

TSC and I are in no way pwned for not reading some crappy 70 post thread.

[Dynasty]

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TSC and I are in no way pwned for not reading some crappy 70 post thread.

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Is being pwned different than being pwn3d? Just curious about netnerd speak.

As far as the avatar, it's Freakin's fault. He's an adult, right? He should be smart enough not to get himself into this situation.

[Voltron87]

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TSC and I are in no way pwned for not reading some crappy 70 post thread.

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Is being pwned different than being pwn3d? Just curious about netnerd speak.

As far as the avatar, it's Freakin's fault. He's an adult, right? He should be smart enough not to get himself into this situation.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think is pwn3d is just slightly more l337 than pwned, but I'm not too sure.

[freakintemp]

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TSC and I are in no way pwned for not reading some crappy 70 post thread.

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Freakin is pwn3d for getting his account banned for agreeing to the avatar that Zephed56 picked out.

I wasn't referring to what you and TSC had said at all. But while we're on the topic, you realize that the post by Zephed apologizing for the avatar he picked was DIRECTLY BEFORE your post about it being all my fault, and the initial post in this thread said the avatar/loc was not my choice, and that it was because of an open challenge defeat. So while I don't blame you for not reading a boring 70 post thread, I *DO* think you're an ass for not reading either the first or last post in a thread before you reply with condescending authority.

Freakin

[citanul]

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I think Mat should remove an offending avatar once. If another avatar of a similar offending nature is posted, a ban is in order. So freakin's and slickpoppas avatar should have been removed immediately, and if another similiarly offending (more boobies/terrorists) one is put up a ban is in order.

That said freakin what did you expect? If you put up an Osama avatar and Loc I hate America and you're angry about being banned, get a clue.

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I didn't expect to keep the avatar all month. I also didn't expect the first course of action to be banning. Other offending avatars have been removed. Lets say you take a two hour lunch from work. If you get caught, what do you expect the consequences to be--a reprimand, or a firing? While it is completely within their right to fire you, does that seem like the obvious response?

Freakin

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Mat has made it abundantly clear that he finds banning people, and then chosing whether or not to reinstate them, far more effective and time conservative for himself. This seems fine to me, honestly. You'll probably get your account back, and honestly, the rest of us don't need to spend time worrying about it. Neither does Mat. Instead, the person that Mat has a problem with gets a brief hiatus, until Mat gets a chance to hear the appeal/discuss the situation of/with the offender. Like I said, since he made it VERY clear that that was his policy, and well, he moderates these boards, deal with it.

If you haven't heard from hime *gasp* 6 hours later, really, chill the fukc out. Stop wasting everyone else time bitching about it, and even worse, repeat bitching about it. People that didn't spend the time to read the crappy thread don't deserve YET ANOTHER explanation of why that was your avatar/location.

citanul

[Voltron87]

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TSC and I are in no way pwned for not reading some crappy 70 post thread.

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Freakin is pwn3d for getting his account banned for agreeing to the avatar that Zephed56 picked out.

I wasn't referring to what you and TSC had said at all.

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You were replying to TSC, you quoted him and then quoted zephed telling me I was pwned for asking the same question. If you weren't replying to TSC why did you quote his message (technically you didn't hit the reply button, you hit the quote one).

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But while we're on the topic, you realize that the post by Zephed apologizing for the avatar he picked was DIRECTLY BEFORE your post about it being all my fault, and the initial post in this thread said the avatar/loc was not my choice, and that it was because of an open challenge defeat. So while I don't blame you for not reading a boring 70 post thread, I *DO* think you're an ass for not reading either the first or last post in a thread before you reply with condescending authority.

Freakin

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I'm not an ass for giving my opinion on the subject without reading everypost. I read the first post, what's so special about the last? And I'm still right.

[freakintemp]

As much as I hate public bickering...

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You were replying to TSC, you quoted him and then quoted zephed telling me I was pwned for asking the same question. If you weren't replying to TSC why did you quote his message (technically you didn't hit the reply button, you hit the quote one).

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This was in response to you mistakely interpreting that you and TSC were pwn3d for not reading 70 posts. Me saying "pwn3d by Zephed56" was not referring to you or TSC at all; it was referring to Freakin being pwn3d by Zephed's choice of avatar. I am sorry for the confusion. End of discussion on that.


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But while we're on the topic, you realize that the post by Zephed apologizing for the avatar he picked was DIRECTLY BEFORE your post about it being all my fault, and the initial post in this thread said the avatar/loc was not my choice, and that it was because of an open challenge defeat. So while I don't blame you for not reading a boring 70 post thread, I *DO* think you're an ass for not reading either the first or last post in a thread before you reply with condescending authority.

Freakin

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I'm not an ass for giving my opinion on the subject without reading everypost. I read the first post, what's so special about the last? And I'm still right.

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First post was me saying that my open challenge parter chose the avatar, and I was fulfilling my obligation as part of the bet. Last post was my open challenge partner apologizing to everyone for the choice of avatar, and saying that he'll allow me to change it. I wasn't about to back out of the bet, as Zephed proudly wore gay Batman as his avatar for 31 days. If you wish to carry on this discussion, I would prefer to do it over PM, since there is obviously no need to continue bumping this thread. And the point of this thread was never to bitch about being disciplined, it was to bitch about the form of discipline.

Also, to the person who sent me a PM at 10:40 AM PST (assuming it wasn't Matty), I obviously can't check it, so please send it to this account. If it was Matty, then that was somewhat poorly planned.

Freakin

[cnfuzzd]

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TSC and I are in no way pwned for not reading some crappy 70 post thread.

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you have not been pwned, you have just displayed an intense lack of reading comprehension, or perhaps its just plain breakdown of social functioning.

Also, at no point did i find this avatar offensive, but i certainly understand how someone could. That having been said, while i acknowledge that mat and 2+2 have the right to do whatever they want on this, their privatly owned, forum, i think it is a bit extreme to ban someone for simply displaying what they percieve as poor taste. I understand that mat probably ahs a heckuva lot more to do than sit around removing bad avatars and deleting illegitimate threads, i will be very surprized and disappointed if freakin doesnt get his account back. Poker players by nature are generally a very independant and free thinking group, and i think mat has done a very good job of balancing the personalities that come with such a group with the needs of a corporate website seeking to promote discussion for the sake of advertising its product. Banning freakin would be a step in the wrong direction. Sure, the avatar might have been out of line, and now we all have further clarification of where that line is, but there is no need to permanently punish someone for doing something that was in no way strictly prohibited by the terms and conditions of this board.

Stop being an ass. And i dont just mean you.

peace

john nickle

[Koller]

Get a life.

[Alobar]

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Get a life.

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[AngryCola]

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I'm not an ass.

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Incorrect.

[EliteNinja]

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Things have gotten really crazy around here with this stuff. Last week my avatar of fully-clothed Alizee in concert was removed.

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I seriously miss your Alizee avatar, man.

[AncientPC]

http://www.nps.gov/redw/images/tsunami.gif

Loc: I hate people.

[freakintemp]

This image (http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a102/a102.gif) would get you banned much faster. Banned, stabbed, burned at the stake, and pissed on....

NSFNY (not safe for New York)

Freakin

And yes, some guys made that as a t-shirt... it was available within weeks after the attacks.

[Mike Gallo]

Its like screaming fire in a packed movie theatre. You might find it comical, however nobody else does.

Same with the Avatar. I found it highly offensive, in jest or not. You can say you did not pick the avatar, however you could have changed it. The person who picked the avatar should get banned as well.

My mother worked in building 2 of the WTC. I know several people who lost their lives that day.

Just my .02.

[Alobar]

I know people who have lost their lives in a car accident, I hereby find all car avatars offensive and anyone who uses one should be banned!

[freakintemp]

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Its like screaming fire in a packed movie theatre. You might find it comical, however nobody else does.

Same with the Avatar

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't find either to be at all comical. Both are in poor taste.

Freakin

[Voltron87]

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I know people who have lost their lives in a car accident, I hereby find all car avatars offensive and anyone who uses one should be banned!

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Apples= Oranges?

[daryn]

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I know people who have lost their lives in a car accident, I hereby find all car avatars offensive and anyone who uses one should be banned!

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i mean this is just CLEARLY stupid. it's not like he takes offense to all avatars of planes. if you really did lose a close friend in a car accident, maybe you might take offense if someone had a picture of that exact accident as their avatar, complete with your buddy laying out over the hood.

[freakintemp]

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I know people who have lost their lives in a car accident, I hereby find all car avatars offensive and anyone who uses one should be banned!

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i mean this is just CLEARLY stupid. it's not like he takes offense to all avatars of planes. if you really did lose a close friend in a car accident, maybe you might take offense if someone had a picture of that exact accident as their avatar, complete with you buddy laying out over the hood.

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Holy [censored], how [censored] disturbing would that be.

Obviously, the point that some people have been trying to make is that anyone can consider anything offensive nowadays. You never know what is going to press someones buttons. Having a catchall phrase like "no offensive avatars" in the TOS for the forums is a cover your ass phrase. Osama was obviously meant to be offensive, otherwise it would not have been decent revenge. As Dynasty has bluntly pointed out many times, I should have known better. While I expected some form of punishment, I certainly didn't expect it to be banning. The prescedent that has been set (at least in the past month) has been removal of offending avatars.

Freakin

[Alobar]

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I know people who have lost their lives in a car accident, I hereby find all car avatars offensive and anyone who uses one should be banned!

[/ QUOTE ]

i mean this is just CLEARLY stupid. it's not like he takes offense to all avatars of planes. if you really did lose a close friend in a car accident, maybe you might take offense if someone had a picture of that exact accident as their avatar, complete with you buddy laying out over the hood.

[/ QUOTE ]

Holy [censored], how [censored] disturbing would that be.

Obviously, the point that some people have been trying to make is that anyone can consider anything offensive nowadays.

[/ QUOTE ]

Bingo, CLEARLY you are much smarter than daryn

[Beer and Pizza]

I'm deeply offended by Voltron's avatar.

I had a friend who was captured and tortured by Darth Vader on the Death Star. He was still there when it was destroyed. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Voltron, you insensitive ass...

[Alobar]

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I'm deeply offended by Voltron's avatar.

I had a friend who was captured and tortured by Darth Vader on the Death Star. He was still there when it was destroyed. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Voltron, you insensitive ass...

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I am deeply offended by your avatar. As someone on a low carb diet, I find it disgusting that your avatar is pizza and beer. You should be banned, you insensitive ass

[Voltron87]

everyone can let this thread die already.

[freakintemp]

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everyone can let this thread die already.

[/ QUOTE ]

I better go x-post in SS, Zoo, and General.

Freakin

[cnfuzzd]

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I am deeply offended by your avatar. As someone on a low carb diet, I find it disgusting that your avatar is pizza and beer. You should be banned, you insensitive ass

[/ QUOTE ]

im deeply offended by your avatar. One night, after drinking too many cosmos in the local gay bar,,,,nevermind.


peace

john nickle

[Zetack]

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While using 2+2 website, you may not post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, profane, or otherwise objectionable information of any kind

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Well [censored], if there isn't over 300 "otherwise objectionable" things posted every day I'll...well nothing because there is. How about "AA only win small pots and lose big pots." How much more objectionable can you get than that?

--Zetack

Um...and no that's not a challenge by the way.

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Freakin

[zephed56]

[ QUOTE ]
Its like screaming fire in a packed movie theatre. You might find it comical, however nobody else does.

Same with the Avatar. I found it highly offensive, in jest or not. You can say you did not pick the avatar, however you could have changed it. The person who picked the avatar should get banned as well.

My mother worked in building 2 of the WTC. I know several people who lost their lives that day.

Just my .02.

[/ QUOTE ]
Hey, direct the rage to me. I guess I didn't fully realize how it might affect other people. I tried too hard to be a comedian.

Since I'm over here on the west coast, I don't know many people who were DIRECTLY affected by the tragedy. I probably don't think of it like someone in NY does.

So, I'm sorry it offended you, and anyone else.

And everyone can feel free to tell me to:
http://nike.cecs.csulb.edu/~jtdahl/htimages/moran.jpg