Knocked out in first 4 hands with AA, AA, AK

[Mr_Gordon]

Thought this was funny, flame away for limping UTG with AA.

Hello Mrs_Gordon,
You requested a transcript of Tournament #9445885.

Summary
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Played on : 10 February 2005 06:48 PM
On Table : Table 14926
Game Type : Texas Holdem
Buy-In : $20
Fee : $2
You finished in position 10
1st place - Stuturtle - $100
2nd place - brob87 - $60
3rd place - kastlrock55 - $40

***** Hand History for Game 1570942426 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 9445885) - Thu Feb 10 18:49:02 EST 2005
Table Table 14926 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: JayJayFab (800)
Seat 2: jkrouz (800)
Seat 3: Stuturtle (800)
Seat 4: brob87 (800)
Seat 5: wsingle (800)
Seat 6: TheWurx (800)
Seat 7: Mrs_Gordon (800)
Seat 8: kastlrock55 (800)
Seat 9: purduewhite (800)
Seat 10: SpencerD1 (800)
brob87 posts small blind (10)
wsingle posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Mrs_Gordon [ 9d, Kc ]
TheWurx folds.
Mrs_Gordon folds.
kastlrock55 folds.
purduewhite folds.
SpencerD1 calls (15)
JayJayFab folds.
jkrouz calls (15)
Stuturtle calls (15)
brob87 calls (5)
wsingle raises (15) to 30
SpencerD1 calls (15)
jkrouz calls (15)
Stuturtle calls (15)
brob87 calls (15)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, 5h, As ]
brob87 checks.
wsingle bets (150)
SpencerD1 folds.
jkrouz folds.
Stuturtle folds.
brob87 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 300
Board: [ Td 5h As ]
JayJayFab balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
jkrouz balance 770, lost 30 (folded)
Stuturtle balance 770, lost 30 (folded)
brob87 balance 770, lost 30 (folded)
wsingle balance 920, bet 180, collected 300, net +120
TheWurx balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
Mrs_Gordon balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
kastlrock55 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
purduewhite balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
SpencerD1 balance 770, lost 30 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 1570947217 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 9445885) - Thu Feb 10 18:50:04 EST 2005
Table Table 14926 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: JayJayFab (800)
Seat 2: jkrouz (770)
Seat 3: Stuturtle (770)
Seat 4: brob87 (770)
Seat 5: wsingle (920)
Seat 6: TheWurx (800)
Seat 7: Mrs_Gordon (800)
Seat 8: kastlrock55 (800)
Seat 9: purduewhite (800)
Seat 10: SpencerD1 (770)
wsingle posts small blind (10)
TheWurx posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Mrs_Gordon [ Ac, Ah ]
Mrs_Gordon calls (15)
kastlrock55 folds.
purduewhite calls (15)
SpencerD1 folds.
JayJayFab calls (15)
jkrouz folds.
Stuturtle raises (30) to 30
brob87 folds.
wsingle folds.
TheWurx calls (15)
Mrs_Gordon raises (115) to 130
purduewhite folds.
JayJayFab folds.
Stuturtle calls (100)
TheWurx folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, Js, 2c ]
Mrs_Gordon bets (300)
Stuturtle calls (300)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7h ]
Mrs_Gordon bets (340)
Stuturtle calls (340)
Stuturtle is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ Td ]
Creating Main Pot with $1610 with Stuturtle
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1610 |
Board: [ Qs Js 2c 7h Td ]
JayJayFab balance 785, lost 15 (folded)
jkrouz balance 770, didn't bet (folded)
Stuturtle balance 1610, bet 770, collected 1610, net +840 [ 2d 2s ] [ three of a kind, twos -- Qs,Js,2d,2s,2c ]
brob87 balance 770, didn't bet (folded)
wsingle balance 910, lost 10 (folded)
TheWurx balance 770, lost 30 (folded)
Mrs_Gordon balance 30, lost 770 [ Ac Ah ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ah,Qs,Js,Td ]
kastlrock55 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
purduewhite balance 785, lost 15 (folded)
SpencerD1 balance 770, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 1570952207 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 9445885) - Thu Feb 10 18:51:05 EST 2005
Table Table 14926 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: JayJayFab (785)
Seat 2: jkrouz (770)
Seat 3: Stuturtle (1610)
Seat 4: brob87 (770)
Seat 5: wsingle (910)
Seat 6: TheWurx (770)
Seat 7: Mrs_Gordon (30)
Seat 8: kastlrock55 (800)
Seat 9: purduewhite (785)
Seat 10: SpencerD1 (770)
TheWurx posts small blind (10)
Mrs_Gordon posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Mrs_Gordon [ Ah, As ]
kastlrock55 folds.
purduewhite folds.
SpencerD1 folds.
JayJayFab folds.
jkrouz folds.
Stuturtle folds.
brob87 folds.
wsingle folds.
TheWurx calls (5)
Mrs_Gordon raises (15) to 30
Mrs_Gordon is all-In.
TheWurx calls (15)
Creating Main Pot with $60 with Mrs_Gordon
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4h, Qc, 5c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 8d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 60 |
Board: [ 4h Qc 5c 9s 8d ]
JayJayFab balance 785, didn't bet (folded)
jkrouz balance 770, didn't bet (folded)
Stuturtle balance 1610, didn't bet (folded)
brob87 balance 770, didn't bet (folded)
wsingle balance 910, didn't bet (folded)
TheWurx balance 740, lost 30 [ Kd 9h ] [ a pair of nines -- Kd,Qc,9h,9s,8d ]
Mrs_Gordon balance 60, bet 30, collected 60, net +30 [ Ah As ] [ a pair of aces -- Ah,As,Qc,9s,8d ]
kastlrock55 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
purduewhite balance 785, didn't bet (folded)
SpencerD1 balance 770, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 1570955377 *****
TheWurx: LOL!
TheWurx: nice hand.
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 9445885) - Thu Feb 10 18:51:46 EST 2005
Table Table 14926 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: JayJayFab (785)
Seat 2: jkrouz (770)
Seat 3: Stuturtle (1610)
Seat 4: brob87 (770)
Seat 5: wsingle (910)
Seat 6: TheWurx (740)
Seat 7: Mrs_Gordon (60)
Seat 8: kastlrock55 (800)
Seat 9: purduewhite (785)
Seat 10: SpencerD1 (770)
Mrs_Gordon posts small blind (10)
kastlrock55 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Mrs_Gordon [ Kc, Ad ]
purduewhite calls (15)
SpencerD1 folds.
JayJayFab raises (30) to 30
jkrouz folds.
Stuturtle calls (30)
brob87 calls (30)
wsingle folds.
TheWurx folds.
Mrs_Gordon raises (50) to 60
Mrs_Gordon is all-In.
kastlrock55 calls (45)
purduewhite calls (45)
TheWurx: two straight AA, and you end up with 60 chips...
JayJayFab calls (30)
Stuturtle calls (30)
brob87 calls (30)
Creating Main Pot with $360 with Mrs_Gordon
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6h, 6d, 2h ]
kastlrock55 checks.
purduewhite checks.
TheWurx: if you have another AA, ill freak.
JayJayFab bets (15)
Stuturtle calls (15)
brob87 folds.
kastlrock55 calls (15)
purduewhite calls (15)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qd ]
jkrouz: 66 this time
SpencerD1: probably 6,6
kastlrock55 checks.
purduewhite checks.
TheWurx: lol
JayJayFab checks.
Stuturtle checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 4h ]
kastlrock55 checks.
purduewhite checks.
JayJayFab checks.
Stuturtle checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 360 | Side Pot 1: 60
Board: [ 6h 6d 2h Qd 4h ]
JayJayFab balance 710, lost 75 [ Kd Ah ] [ a pair of sixes -- Ah,Kd,Qd,6h,6d ]
jkrouz balance 770, didn't bet (folded)
Stuturtle balance 1535, lost 75 [ 3c 4c ] [ two pairs, sixes and fours -- Qd,6h,6d,4c,4h ]
brob87 balance 710, lost 60 (folded)
wsingle balance 910, didn't bet (folded)
TheWurx balance 740, didn't bet (folded)
Mrs_Gordon balance 0, lost 60 [ Kc Ad ] [ a pair of sixes -- Ad,Kc,Qd,6h,6d ]
kastlrock55 balance 1145, bet 75, collected 420, net +345 [ 8s 8d ] [ two pairs, eights and sixes -- Qd,8s,8d,6h,6d ]
purduewhite balance 710, lost 75 [ Tc Ac ] [ a pair of sixes -- Ac,Qd,Tc,6h,6d ]
SpencerD1 balance 770, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 1570963275 *****
Mrs_Gordon finished in tenth place.

[RoyalLance]

A good size raise or a very big re-raise (like an all-in raise) could have knocked out the 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. That's all I have to say.

[two_dogs]

I think you just got unlucky. it happens.Limping UTG is a gamble with AA but you got what you wanted and seeing as how this guy called the t130 raise he probably would have called a 3-4xBB raise in the first place.Raising big with AA usually just wins the blinds. That being said I do think your better off IMHO to raise with AA right off the bat 3-4x BB and if the villain calls with 22 and flops a set so be it thats poker.

[Elem100]

I hope you seriously considered your 340 bet on the turn of the first AA hand.

If his flat call of half his stack, (when he knows you have a hand and 2 picture cards on the board), doesnt set off the sirens...this is just another example of people getting mind block with AA. Get inside his mind, the only explanation for his call-play is that he believes he is trapping you. That means AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 22, all of which are consistent with the crazy preflop play you see these days from people in sngs. After we rule out AA, and cut down the chance of QQ and JJ because people rarely play those like that, we're left with 3 possibilities. 1) He has KK and is a rubbish player. 2) QQ/JJ 3) 22

The pot is 800 you both have about 400 left, he is clearly committed. So if you play on hoping he has KK, barring any miracles, two times out of three you will be out, one time out of three you'll double up. On this expectation analysis its a marginal play on...personally I wouldnt be able to put him on KK and all other 'he thinks he has me beat' hands do actually beat me, so unless I knew him to be a tricky player with a higher % chance of something strange, I would probably fold after going into the tank.

But crucially I bet you didnt even think about it, you just went and bet pot with the 'I never lay down AA' mentatlity.

[GimmeDaWatch]

[ QUOTE ]
I hope you seriously considered your 340 bet on the turn of the first AA hand.

If his flat call of half his stack, (when he knows you have a hand and 2 picture cards on the board), doesnt set off the sirens...this is just another example of people getting mind block with AA. Get inside his mind, the only explanation for his call-play is that he believes he is trapping you. That means AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 22, all of which are consistent with the crazy preflop play you see these days from people in sngs. After we rule out AA, and cut down the chance of QQ and JJ because people rarely play those like that, we're left with 3 possibilities. 1) He has KK and is a rubbish player. 2) QQ/JJ 3) 22

The pot is 800 you both have about 400 left, he is clearly committed. So if you play on hoping he has KK, barring any miracles, two times out of three you will be out, one time out of three you'll double up. On this expectation analysis its a marginal play on...personally I wouldnt be able to put him on KK and all other 'he thinks he has me beat' hands do actually beat me, so unless I knew him to be a tricky player with a higher % chance of something strange, I would probably fold after going into the tank.

But crucially I bet you didnt even think about it, you just went and bet pot with the 'I never lay down AA' mentatlity.

[/ QUOTE ]

Dude. You're check-folding the turn getting 3:1? I cant see this, with all the dingbats out there calling this down all the time w/KQ, AQ, flush draw, not to mention far worse hands.

[bigredlemon]

And lets let forget, the set is going to be putting you all in or very nearly all in on the river seeing you check the turn, and you'll have to call it. That might be a better idea though, since he probably won't call an all in with AJ, but will likely bet the river with AJ.