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cnfuzzd
02-10-2005, 11:42 PM
So, back in the days where my social graces were determined by my level of inebriation, i would have been able to handle this situation without a second thought. However, ive recently begun trying to become a little bit "kinder and gentler," so im curious as to some input.

Ive recently moved to kansas city. This is cool. One of the friends i live near is a chick who i used to party with all the time. I mean, out-of-control, we made entire parties pass out, did all the drugs and then found more kind of party. We were always [censored] up, but are both semi-intelligent, so it was nice having someone there to talk to through the haze of booze, mdma, and broken furniture. Eventually, i did the only natural thing and decided to develop feelings for her, but as she was doing drugs to escape from her horrible ex-boyfriend and wasnt ever willing to have sex with me when she wasnt blacked out, nothing ever came of it. (sex with blacked out chicks is only cool if you dont know them /images/graemlins/smile.gif ) However, all the members of our group knew about my "crush" and everyone thought it was inappropriate, or something. To make a long story short, we have remained excellent friends, and my feelings for her are less intense now, though she does have red hair and drinks like a fish when she lets loose. She moved up her, stopped doing so many drugs, and we both have kind of cleaned up a bit.

Of course, to make things exciting, she is 'dating' someone. I withheld judgemnt until i could get an outside opinion, given that not only do i have high standards for ALL my friends significant others, but for her especially there will probably always be a bias. One night last week, when my roommate and some of the group were out and about, we ended up discussing said boyfriend, and the general opionion was douoche-bag. Not unexpectadly, this is how i felt, but it was nice to have it confirmed. The excitement began to build because we (being me, my roommate, girl in questions roommate, and another) decided to have this conversation about 5 feet from the happy couple, and we are pretty sure that they could both hear us, despite the noise and the crowd. Well, the girl had to go home, but the boyfriend continued on to the next bar, and since he kept shooting me some rather unfriendly looks, i did what came naturally. I got him piss ass wasted by making him think he should try to hang with me taking shots. he failed. miserably. The highlight was when he called me and my roommate assholes, and then began yelling to the whole bar about how this group of ladies at the end of the bar were all cunts. So far as we could tell, he didnt know them at all, and vice versa, but they were loudly being proclaimed cunts nonetheless. This pretty much confirmed our opinion of him. Douche bag indeed.

The problem arises in that we are still all hanging out. While there has been a noticable "cooling" of the relationship, he is definitly still treating her like his girlfriend. Whenever we get wasted though, the girl tends to gravitate towards me, not only because we have been friends for ever, but also because she knows im new in town, dont have many friends amongst the current group. We also get along wonderfully. This obviously pisses off the boyfriend. Now, back in the drunken days, i would just take a "your bitch chose me" attitude, and do everything i could to piss him off. But, now, i dont know. i really have no desire to break them up, though i think it is probably a "bad" relationship. I dont even really have any great desire to have a relationship at this point, though i woudl be lying if i said i wouldnt agree to it in a minute. I turn to you, my oot brothers. Thoughts?

Also, people are coming over now to drink, so i must make this short. If ive left anything out, just let me know and i will respond soon.

peace

john nickle

pshreck
02-10-2005, 11:44 PM
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so i must make this short.

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Is that supposed to be a joke? This is way too long.

A_C_Slater
02-10-2005, 11:53 PM
How old are you?

This information is vital for A.C. if he is to help you.

BreakEvenPlayer
02-11-2005, 12:18 AM
I thought we were character building for the eventual staking?

Alobar
02-11-2005, 12:33 AM
dude, I like you and your posts and stuff...but I didnt read it all cuz it was waaaay to long.

If it takes a novel to tell the story about you and this chick, I hate to say it, but it isnt going to happen.

tbach24
02-11-2005, 12:39 AM
1. He moves near this girl he used to know.
2. He used to have feelings for this girl.
3. He feels somewhat protective of this girl.
4. She has a boyfriend who is an alleged "douche-bag."
5. They go out drinking and this bf makes an ass of himself.
6. The company with bf (inc. OP) while drinking dislkie him.
7. Feelings between company cool off (a bit hazy on this point).
8. He wants to know how he should try and get with this girl.
9. He doesn't really want a relationship, but will take it if this girl wants to.
10. He drinks a lot.

So he wants to know what he should do.

astroglide
02-11-2005, 01:20 AM
the post is long. you're thinking about it too much. based on that, it's not going to work out. confidence is everything.

B00T
02-11-2005, 01:33 AM
Just keep playing the cool active role that you are...Whatever you do, dont kick his ass or start a fight. Just act confident and dont stoop to a petty level to get her back. She will come around (faster than you may think) and see how he just gets outright jealous of your confidence in yourself. He will become increasingly aggrevated and she will see it as well. She will view you much, MUCH higher and value your levelheadedness and flock over soon enough. If all your friends see that as well someone is going to break it to her. Don't be the one who says anything, just play your cards right (no pun intended) and maintain a cool composure and you'll win by March. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

TimM
02-11-2005, 01:47 AM
She's attracted to douche bags, and you are not one, so forget it. Just be her friend.

Dantes
02-11-2005, 03:05 AM
if she was attracted to you you would have hooked up already, but since you're posting this here you're almost certainly a nerd and nerds never get the girls vs the bad boy types.

cardcounter0
02-11-2005, 03:43 AM
Advice 1:
If he really is a douche bag, then she will get rid of him soon enough, she doesn't need your help.

Advice 2:
Redhead who drinks a lot?
Danger! Danger! Run away! Run away!

nothumb
02-11-2005, 03:47 AM
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She's attracted to douche bags, and you are not one, so forget it. Just be her friend.

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cnfuzzd
02-11-2005, 04:05 AM
i think i was misleading with my plea for help. Im really just curious as to what is a socially apropos way to deal with douche-bag boyfriend. Ive tried to remain aloof from the situation, and just not become to intricately involved with the girl in question. Obviously, i still have feelings for this chick, but that is really beside the point.

I think it has been near-point-blankedly made clear to this guy that i think he is not a cool dude, and there were even some reasons listed for such. However, this guy is still trying to make-nice with me, and be my friend. This is what i dont understand. I have been in similair situations, and usually resolve them by either A) talking to the dude and coming to some sort of resolution, or B)letting the fight ensue (its important to note that B has nevr actually happened). I simply dont udnerstand the mentality of this guy who is both willing to let me engage in obvious and overt flirtation and constant mockery of him as a person without some reaction. He just continues to try to pretend that we are best friends. As i have no interest in being his friend, and dont particularly enjoy him as a person, this is difficult for me to deal with. In the past i would have dealt with him by simply playing the arrogant drunk, and being as personable with Girl as possible. However, im curious if there is a more socially palatable way to deal with said things. thats it.

Also, ive already been staked, so i can be as crude as i want. /images/graemlins/grin.gif


peace

john nickle


also, that was the best ten point summary, EVER. nice work.

cnfuzzd
02-11-2005, 04:05 AM
i will be 25 in april.

peace

john nickle

cardcounter0
02-11-2005, 04:10 AM
Well I guess not only is he a douche bag but he seems to have some weasel qualities also. I would just put him on high ignore status. Who cares what he says or does or thinks? Just go about your business as if he was invisible or didn't exist. This will probably drive him nuts.

And just to repeat: Redhead - Danger! Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!

cnfuzzd
02-11-2005, 04:26 AM
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And just to repeat: Redhead - Danger! Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!

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i understand the danger, but man, i just cant help it. The redheads always slay me. Absolutely slay me. If sponger ever dyes his hair red, i might even try to stick it to him...

peace

john nickle

daveymck
02-11-2005, 04:33 AM
My first thought was is it even a good idea for two people trying to clean up from drug/drink problems/issues to get together and have a relationship, I could see some lets try this for old times sake happening. But I dont know how bad your and her issues were with drugs to say fully.

As far as the guy goes its between her and him to be honest she has to finish it. As for the guy maybe he enjoys the taking shots and piss taking from you, he probably thinks its banter and may also thinks he is getting the best of it, or just think lets see what witty comment he comes out with next.

eric5148
02-11-2005, 07:15 AM
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My first thought was is it even a good idea for two people trying to clean up from drug/drink problems/issues to get together and have a relationship

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Ding! Ding! Ding!

Cnfuzzd:

This chick has serious issues, and given what I know about your background, so do you. I hope you don't take that in an insulting way. But it means that if you two shacked up, you'd need a truckload of therapists. Chicks who had douchebag fathers go out with douchebag guys. I don't think you're a douchebag, so she's not going to be attracted to you.

You need to admit that the only reason you're posting this is because you want this chick, not because you're afraid of awkward social situations. Your feelings for her completely change the way you act around her.

Work on the substance abuse problems first, then worry about relationships.

Good luck.

Shajen
02-11-2005, 09:43 AM
those who claimed this was too long of a read are lame.

John, my concern here bro is that the way you make it out, it sounds like the only time you guys get together is to drink.

Do you do normal stuff with this girl or is it strictly let's go out and party?

If so, I think she feels you're safe, and she's getting her excitement from the douchebag, while hanging out in the company of people who will take care of her. Sort of a safety net.

If you like this girl, tell her man. See what happens. And as far as the douchebag goes, don't worry, he'll [censored] it up on his own, just be patient.

good luck dude.

TimM
02-11-2005, 01:58 PM
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i think i was misleading with my plea for help. Im really just curious as to what is a socially apropos way to deal with douche-bag boyfriend. Ive tried to remain aloof from the situation, and just not become to intricately involved with the girl in question. Obviously, i still have feelings for this chick, but that is really beside the point.

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This last part is the point. It prevents you from being objective, or at least prevents you from appearing objective to her, as she will sense this.

Ideally, you'd want to treat him the way you would treat a little sister's douchebag boyfriend, or a male friend's bitchy girlfriend.

swede123
02-11-2005, 02:13 PM
Do her in the butt.

Swede

cnfuzzd
02-11-2005, 02:27 PM
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Ideally, you'd want to treat him the way you would treat a little sister's douchebag boyfriend, or a male friend's bitchy girlfriend.

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oh dear, this is what i was trying to avoid /images/graemlins/smile.gif

peace

john nickle

cnfuzzd
02-11-2005, 02:36 PM
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Do her in the butt.

Swede

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finally, some REAL advice.


seriously, after last night, i think i have a firm grasp on how to deal with this situation. Over the past five years i really have made a decent effort at turning myself into a grade-a smart ass, with a huge superiority complex saddled to some residual self-esteem issues. I really didnt know how to deal with this dude in an appropriate manner. Gauging from his behavior last night, it really is only a matter of time until dude shows his [censored] self. Also, ive decided that my current feelings for her are being caused both by some residue of our past associations, and also the maudlin, depressive streak that i have in me that crys out for any sort of companionship. On most days, i love my life of being unattached and irresponsible, sleeping till noon and staying up as late as i want, never needing to worry about someone else's demands on my (wasted) time. Sometimes, it does get lonely, but thats just me being a big pussy. I will work on it. And, if not, im in the big city now, we have escort services for things like that.

Thanks for everyones responses. And eric, i think you worry about me too much. I really am mostly clean off the drugs. I dont do anything illegal on any regular basis. New years eve was an extreme example of something that happens about once a year. However, i could use a whole truck-load of therapists just for myself.....

peace

john nickle