KQ two overs, OE straightdraw

[bear187]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (12.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Was the opening raise wrong? Anything else? Thanks.

[davelin]

Why 3-bet the turn? Why bet the river?

[bear187]

Game seems fairly loose... I have 14 outs by my calculations, but I'm new so enlighten me...

[davelin]

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Game seems fairly loose... I have 14 outs by my calculations, but I'm new so enlighten me...

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Out is used to calculate whether or not to call a bet. But to determine whether to make a bet or raise, you use your pot equity which isn't high enough here. Maybe someone could explain this better, but try to calculate out whether or not you'll win more or less by putting 3-bets on the turn with a 14-outer.

Betting the river is silly, you only have K-high. He's not folding for one more bet.

[bear187]

This might sound retarded, but I was trying to make him think that maybe I hit 3 jacks.

[davelin]

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This might sound retarded, but I was trying to make him think that maybe I hit 3 jacks.

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Your given yourself and your opponent too much credit.

[sy_or_bust]

Turn 3-bet is horrible. Leading the turn is even debatable...I like check/call. In any case, the river play is absurd. FOLD.

If Button folds to that bet after the previous action, it's a misclick.

[bear187]

Thanks for your input. I won't make the same mistake again /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[bottomset]

14outs is about breakeven from the flop, around 2/1 against for the river, but 2 of you kQ outs put 3to the flush, so they aren't prob worth the full amount

HU you improve to the best hand a good % of the time, but nowhere near enough to be 3betting the turn

[GrunchCan]

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This might sound retarded, but I was trying to make him think that maybe I hit 3 jacks.

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Your given yourself and your opponent too much credit.

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Bear,

Your mistake was bluffing at all. Bluffing works on TV and against good players. It doesn't work here.

Stop bluffing.

[GrunchCan]

Hero's hand isn't worth 14 outs.

I'd value the SD at 7 outs, becasue 8 cards can come to make the nut straight, but 2 of those cards put a 3-flush on board. You have to discount the SD somewhat, and even though a flush isn't out there 50% of the time the draw comes, I discount the SD by 1 full out.

When hero spikes a K or Q, he won't win 100% of the time. Any K or Q that hit the board put a 3-broadway on the board. In addition, Hero could be reverse dominated to something like KT. I discount each overcard to 1, giving Hero's hand a total value of 9 outs.

[flopwell]

I agree wholeheartedly....the small %age of the time that you bluff someone out will nowhere near make up for all the called bluffs.

[Greg J]

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Your mistake was bluffing at all. Bluffing works on TV and against good players. It doesn't work here.

Stop bluffing.

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It's okay to bluff with reads sometimes. This was clearly not the time given the action though. In these loose games you have to CAREFULLY pick your spots. Again, you need a good read.