curious

[Loci]

Just curious, I know that suited cards, heads up, are supposed to increase preflop odds by 4%. What is the level of probability increase for connectors? one gappers? two gappers?
Just in case it matters/for the sake of argument, if this matters J/T to an under pair...

[Loci]

A little help please?

[Cobra]

I am not sure what information you are looking for. If you could be more specific I might be able to answer it. Basiclly when you go from JT to J9 you loose about 600 flops that would have given you a straight or 8 outs to a straight. This is about 3% of the boards. When you go to a two gapper you loose another 600 flops, or around another 3%.

Cobra

[Loci]

The original argument,(which I probably should have explained originally) was what is the best way to handle a situation in tournament play if you read your opponent for an underpair. Obviously, it's best to have an overpair to call an all-in bet preflop, but my roommate and I were disputing on what the exact probability of overcard suited connectors to them would be. I know that being suited increases the win ratio by 4%, but I wasn't sure how to calculate the increase of probability for those cards being connectors, being 1 or 2 gappers, etc.
Thanks for the help,
Ez

[Zapped]

Not sure I'm capable of doing the math to "prove" this one way or the other, but it seems to me from some pokenum examples that your suited overcards to the pair are basically a 50/50 race regardless of the gap.

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No gap against low pair
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pokenum -h 2c 2d - th 9h
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2c 2d 776854 45.37 906307 52.93 29143 1.70 0.462
Th 9h 906307 52.93 776854 45.37 29143 1.70 0.538

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1-gap against low pair
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pokenum -h 2c 2d - th 8h
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2c 2d 790112 46.14 892660 52.13 29532 1.72 0.470
Th 8h 892660 52.13 790112 46.14 29532 1.72 0.530

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2-gap against low pair
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pokenum -h 2c 2d - th 7h
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2c 2d 801516 46.81 880544 51.42 30244 1.77 0.477
Th 7h 880544 51.42 801516 46.81 30244 1.77 0.523

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3-gap against low pair
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pokenum -h 2c 2d - th 6h
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2c 2d 822316 48.02 859519 50.20 30469 1.78 0.489
Th 6h 859519 50.20 822316 48.02 30469 1.78 0.511

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1-gap against mid-pair
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pokenum -h 8c 8d - jh 9h
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8c 8d 882398 51.53 822347 48.03 7559 0.44 0.518
Jh 9h 822347 48.03 882398 51.53 7559 0.44 0.482

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no-gap against high-pair
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pokenum -h tc td - qh jh
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc Td 902675 52.72 803277 46.91 6352 0.37 0.529
Qh Jh 803277 46.91 902675 52.72 6352 0.37 0.471

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no-gap against high-pair
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pokenum -h jc jd - ah kh
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jc Jd 919198 53.68 786618 45.94 6488 0.38 0.539
Ah Kh 786618 45.94 919198 53.68 6488 0.38 0.461

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1-gap against high-pair
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pokenum -h tc td - ah qh
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc Td 921207 53.80 784923 45.84 6174 0.36 0.540
Ah Qh 784923 45.84 921207 53.80 6174 0.36 0.460

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Big Slick against lowest pair
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pokenum -h 2c 2d - ah kh
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2c 2d 849322 49.60 852207 49.77 10775 0.63 0.499
Ah Kh 852207 49.77 849322 49.60 10775 0.63 0.501

[Cobra]

Now I understand what you are looking for. For each increase in Gap you loose about 1.5% of the probability you will win with two overcards. Going from no gap to a one gapper costs you about 1.5% on the win rate.

Cobra