question on vpip

[syphlix]

quick question on vpip... it seems that most of the players here have vpip in the range of 25-30 or so...

mine is only 18% after.. 2000 hands or so... i know... small samples... but it seems a significant difference to me...

i've been using http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=headsup&Number=1256134&fpa rt=1&PHPSESSID= for my starting hands... is this good?... if not.. where should i be looking to play more hands?...

or should i just be fine w/ this low vpip anyways since i'm still not quite sure what i'm doing in shorthanded play post-flop...

[EvanJC]

i think your estimate that most are around 25-30 vpip is false. i try to keep mine around 22-23/12-14 pfr, and that might even be a little too loose depending on what level you're talking about.

[craniac24]

I think you're playing way too tight. My VPIP in SH games is right around 31%. Over 100,000 hands I'm at 2.5BB/100.

Loosen up son.

[rory]

I am at like 20.

[MAxx]

21-22 here

[Grisgra]

That chart doesn't have the SB or BB in it, and you'll see a lot of variation between players in how tight/loose they are. Rory will fold in the SB with just about any two cards /images/graemlins/smile.gif. I, on the other hand, will just about play AnyTwoSooted.

Loose vs tight play from the blinds is good for at least 2-3% VP$IP.

[EvanJC]

no.

[Grisgra]

If he's not filtering by # players-in-hand (e.g., this is 2-6 players), I can see doing just fine with a VP$IP of 31% in the 1/2 games. Not for SH newbies, admittedly.

[cab4656]

My VPIP is 19 after 3.5k hands. My PFR is 15.

I had a 15 VPIP with a 9 PFR at 3/6 full, which was also tighter than most, but not terrible.

I am gonna have to use that starting hand chart to see if I can raise it.

Edit: Just took a look at that chart. Reraise with AJ against a raise from any position? That's something I hadn't been doing. Much less the recommended reraises with KQ, AT, and other hands where specified. 6-max will be fun now. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Rudis]

Could someone explain to me, just what does vpip say. I know what it means, but not what it MEANS.
I have always used flop seen and when fold no fold and pfr...

[Grisgra]

% time *voluntarily* put money into the pot.

So if there was a preflop raise every hand, it'd be the same as %times saw a flop (unless you folded after raising/calling the first raise).

If there's never a preflop raise, it's %times you saw a flop minus the %times you were in the big blind (as in the big blind you didn't voluntarily put money in).

At 6-max my VP$IP is around 26-27%, but my %see-a-flop is around 34%, as half the time I see a flop in the BB for free. I'm in the BB 16% of the time, and half of that is 8% . . . 26%+8%=34%.

Glad I could make all that clear as mud . . .

[Rudis]

Now that is GREAT info! Then vpip says lots more than sf-all=) lol...I'm changing=)
Very good.

[syphlix]

does anyone have some kind of chart that includes blind play?

[EvanJC]

a vpip of 31 would make my tiny brain hurt.

[wheelz]

I think you should stop just following charts.

[freemoney]

i just started using pokertracker again and mine is 34 but i love to play my bb even to most raises, my strength is postflop so i think i can get away with seeing more flops.