MSSunshine cheats with his wife?

Most guys cheat on their wives.


Seriously, everyone knew that he has managed an internet poker collusion team consisting of several other posters on this forum. The man has no integrity. What do expect from people that make their living illegally? Would you expect honesty from a population of convicts and fugitives? Of course you would. Everyone in prison is innocent!


You won't find perfume when you search in the sewer.

I've known MS Sunshine, and his wife for many years. John use to work as a floorman/shift manager in the Horseshoe Poker Room when it was a place for serious poker year round. I'll vouch for his integrity, and I'll also state that as a floorman he was one of the best that I've ever seen.


Of course, you'll probably question my integrity next. But given the success of this site and Two Plus Two Publishing in general, I doubt that you will get many people to agree with you.


Best wishes,

Mason

"Of course, you'll probably question my integrity next. But given the success of this site and Two Plus Two Publishing in general, I doubt that you will get many people to agree with you."


Someone ask Sklansky if there's any logic behind the success of this site- or your publishing company- ensuring your integrity.

mason, glad that you are vouching for them.


does this mean that you have reversed your stance on husband and wife playing together? or is it just ok for these 2?

I cant remember anyone posting any hand in which MS and his wife were doing anything fishy.Nobody would even know that they played together unless MS wouldn't have said anything.If they were cheating why would he even tell us that his wife played as well.This whole debate is bigger bullshit than all the paradise conspiracies -which is all based on no factual evidence.There is no question that there are some players who are cheating and playing partners but I really don't think MS is one of them.Ive played many times with MS and have NEVER seen any supcious plays-raising or folding -only solid poker.In the past I have seen supcious plays with other players and have reported them to the support of the site-which leads me to the most important point -if MS is cheating send the hand #s to support and get him banned.If there are no cheating instances it would be only fair to stop all the accusations and unwarranted slander against MS.

One of the problems with a husband and wife playing together has to do with the potential for abuse and the perception that it can give a cardroom. However, I'm sure that in most cases where a husband and wife play together there is absolutely no problem.


So to be safe, I feel that a cardroom should not allow a husband and wife in the same game, and you can't conclude that there is any problem.


MM

How could anyone even know that you are husband and wife,father and son,best friends,business partners etc.Only reason this is an issue is becuase MS told everyone.I think when it comes to internet poker it almost impossible to police or to find out what relationships players have with each other.Like I said the only reason we knew of MS 's wife and her handle is because he told us.Otherwise this wouldn't even be an issue.

Well it's all totally unfounded crap. There is one thing I don't understand. Why did MS tell people on this forum?


He must have known it was going to raise more questions about his integrity and fuel the net kook fire for another couple of weeks.


I remember him saying a while ago he was not going to get involved in any more stupid debates over shuffling, site integrity, collusion blah blah blah, but now he is the one raising the issues. Worse yet it's one he knows he is going to get attacked on.

First of all I will say I have trust in

MS Sunshine, and love to read his/their posts here!


But do I understand the pokersites right? It is ok for two persons to sit in the same house and play in the same game?

OK Can you even sit at the same desk with two computers or is there a boarderline here?

Are they really saying "As long as you not cheat, you can see each others cards"??


Sounds a little bit strange to me...but


Looking forward to read more of your of your posts MS Sunshine! Enjoyed to read about how you moved to a new area and live like a pokerpro (?) on the net.


Best regards

No problem

Are you refering to the Highlands props? I believe MS Sunshine managed the props Highlands hired. Is that's a poker collusion team, then several other sites are guilty of having poker collusion teams, along with a lot of live B&M casinos.


This is what I don't get. WHY do the people who raise legitimate issues about things like online collusion, if sites are rigging the deal, etc... make accusations like the above, which are baseless? You just make yourself out as a "net kook". (I know there are a few people who do not fit this description).


Is it because you are angry? About unfair things that happened to you (or what you believe was unfair)? And just taking out your anger? I don't know...


- Tony

Someone was in a $10-20 Hold'em game, or watching, when we made the table aware that we were husband and wife. He posted here the next day. No one at the table seem to mind, not that it would have changed us playing.


As much as it is posted here that we cheat or share info, we don't, not in any form.


We seem to be the poster children for this issue, even though we rarely play together.


Having a rule that couples can't play at the same table will not stop collusion on the internet, not one bit. It is easy to use two ISP accounts and to have two different poker accounts. It may make some people feel better, but not allowing two players from the same city not to be allowed to play in the same game would also make some people feel better.


All this rule would do is punish couples who have no intention of cheating and might have them choose a different poker site.


Most live poker rooms allow couples to play at the same table, until there is a problem. Almost every internet poker site allows them also, except Paradise. I believe they put their no two accounts from same ISP # rule in, to try to make it more difficult for dorm buddies, for example, to cheat. It doesn't work at all, because it is so easy to get around.


On the other hand, collusion software and the ability to go back, by a floorperson, over every hand played by any two players does help catch cheats and forces what cheats are left to the level of "soft" collusion, a much lower threat to other player's money.


MS Sunshine

Thank you for an informative answer!


I know its out of discussion, but I found it so interesting first time I read your post about moving to a new area and starting like a pro-player on the net.


How does the new society around react to your profession?

And how do think it has changed your lifes, good and bad?


Just ask out of curiosity :-)


Thank you for any answer!

The fact that you've chosen to besmirch your own reputation by involvement in the shady business of internet poker, which is illegal, is your own choice. Your reputation was fine until you got involved with this racket.


Does the financial sucess of La Cosa Nostra equate to integrity?


Faulty logic has obviously been displayed.

I enjoyed the "'Net Poker/Ski Bum" updates also and I will return to writing them soon.


MS Sunshine

It is clear by your error in judgement on this post that you are not performing your duties up to your highest functunal capability. Furthermore, you are endangering the reputation of the whole Forum Police department. I hereby place you on suspension for a period of two weeks without pay.


Powers that be.

"Most live poker rooms allow couples to play at the same table, until there is a problem."


This is a completely nonsensical argument. If you truly don't see the difference between couples playing together live (you know, live, where anyone and everyone can see and hear everything they do, including the exposure of their hole cards) and online (you know, online, where no one can see or hear anything whether you'd like em to or not) then I don't know what to tell you.


"...and forces what cheats are left to the level of "soft" collusion, a much lower threat to other player's money."


Lower threat my ass. Those into "hard" collusion are a far lesser threat to my bankroll. They're only going to get one, maybe two shots, that's it, what are they going to get(?) 4, 5 bets, maybe. And there's a decent chance that I'll get those bets back when the "hard" colluding cheats get caught. With "soft" collusion, there's no chance of noticing it even happening, especially if I don't even know who the couples are, it could go on for years. Perhaps it only costs me 1/4 of a bet a day, but since I play daily, and intend to do so for as long as possible, the "soft" collusion is far more dangerous and costly to me and my bankroll. As it is for most any serious player, yourself included.

Most live poker rooms allow couples to play at the same table, until there is a problem."


This is a completely nonsensical argument.


This was not an argument, it was a statement of fact.


As to the cost of soft collusion, that is still up for debate and I agree that it is almost impossible to catch. Having a rule that married couples not play in the same game will not effect it at all.


MS Sunshine

"This was not an argument, it was a statement of fact."


Oh, sorry. I thought it was a statement of fact intended to support your argument in support of two computers from the same location playing the same table. I guess I was wrong, but, given that I'm wrong and that isn't why you were stating the fact, why did you mention it?


"As to the cost of soft collusion, that is still up for debate and I agree that it is almost impossible to catch. Having a rule that married couples not play in the same game will not effect it at all."


How can you keep saying this? It most certainly will affect it. I know it will keep me and my wife off the same table. I'm 99% sure it would also keep you and your wife off the same table. If it does nothing else, that alone was *some* affect. I'm 90% sure it would keep any relatively honest competent player and his wife off the same table. And most importantly, I'm 90%+ sure it would keep all relatively honest competent players from simply playing two hands at the same table. This is the real problem. This moronic rule of allowing two computers from the same house to play the same table, it allows anyone and everyone to play two hands, not just married couples, and certainly not just honest married couples. It may not contribute much in the overall scheme of things, but I'd bet it would make a difference in games of 3/6 and higher, where players are more sophisticated. At least if they make the cheat pay for two ISP's, ...there goes a big chunk of his profits, thus less incentive to collude "softly". He's more inclined to collude "hard" (and stand a far better chance of being caught) or give it up and simply play 2 tables, and/or 2 sites, like the rest of us. Either way, every honest player is better off.