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bkm

02-09-2005, 06:14 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t760)
SB (t590)
Hero (t860)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t875)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t965)
MP3 (t740)
CO (t1610)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 calls t15, 1 fold, CO calls t15, 1 fold, SB raises to t30, Hero calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, MP2 calls t15, CO calls t15.

Flop: (t150) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t75, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t75, CO calls t75, SB calls t75.

Turn: (t450) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t150, MP2 calls t150, CO raises to t1505 (All-In), SB calls t485 (All-In)

It's only the 5th hand of the SNG so no reads on anyone. So, does the Hero call or fold?

stripsqueez

02-09-2005, 06:40 AM

i would probably push on the turn - if i did what you did i think i would fold after this action

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

Pepsquad

02-09-2005, 06:43 AM

What an aweful turn card. This only being the 5th hand, I'd fold. With 2 all-in's it's highly likely you'd need to river to pair the board.

lorinda

02-09-2005, 06:53 AM

I'd river quads.

Lori

JoeTable

02-09-2005, 02:30 PM

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What an aweful turn card. This only being the 5th hand, I'd fold. With 2 all-in's it's highly likely you'd need to river to pair the board.

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The all in by the SB I'm not worried about. He's beat. His call of the all-in seems like desperation to me after having shown preflop strength. If it were me...I'd be inclined to gamble here. CO doesn't necessarily have to have a flush and if he does, you still have outs.

Shorty35

02-09-2005, 03:09 PM

I fold without hesitation.

e_fermat

02-09-2005, 03:27 PM

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I'd river quads.

Lori

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/images/graemlins/laugh.gif That's your response to everything! In this case, I'd say a pattern mapped pair on the river is fine for the boat. Why waste quads here when you don't need it?

adanthar

02-09-2005, 04:06 PM

You're getting about 3:1 against a very likely flush and what could be anything from AK to an overset. I'm folding.

Having said that, this is under a $50, so I bet 150 on the flop and wait for K7o to call me and then all in on the turn because I do have odds with 4 chimps calling.

UMTerp

02-09-2005, 04:14 PM

Damnit, wrong thread...

AtticusFinch

02-09-2005, 04:17 PM

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Having said that, this is under a $50, so I bet 150 on the flop and wait for K7o to call me and then all in on the turn because I do have odds with 4 chimps calling.

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Agreed. I'd add that with a flush draw out you should bet more than half the pot with that many players in. A couple of callers at half the pot give the rest the right odds to draw. Plus in an unraised pot, you never know, there may be a straight draw out there as well.

AtticusFinch

02-09-2005, 04:19 PM

Surely you are aware that there's a delete post button on the edit screen, aren't you? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Pokerscott

02-09-2005, 05:13 PM

After MP2 called, CO and especially SB are getting the right odds to stay around with flush draws (especially the nut flush draw). Given they are the ones all-in I fold in a heartbeat...

Pokerscott

Despos

02-09-2005, 05:23 PM

FOLD! Do you really wanna take the chance that he doesn't have the flush? His call on the flop, then massive raise when the turn hit spade pretty much screams "I hit my flush" doesn't it?

Despos

02-09-2005, 05:27 PM

Yes he has outs but not enough outs to make the call a +EV how can you think about calling? The act of desperation from preflop strength would come at the flop.

bkm

02-09-2005, 08:16 PM

With 2 people all-in and MP2 still to act after calling my bets which made me think he also was on a draw. I figured it was too early to gamble so I folded. MP2 did go all-in.

SB had A /images/graemlins/club.gif 4 /images/graemlins/spade.gif I don't know why he went all-in. He had t485 and the blinds were 10/15 so he had plenty of time to rebuild his stack playing his normal game.

CO had K /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif which would've wiped out 6 of my outs.

MP2 had A /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif for the nut flush.

Lorinda was correct when she said "I'd river quads". I just sat and watched in frustration as the 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif fell on the river.

I did get my stack up to t1500 before losing most of it on the following hand. Can anyone tell me what I possibly was thinking as I played this hand. I guess I figured I was ahead preflop. I should've folded or went all-in but for some reason I called. The flop puts 3 overcards on the board and for some reason I decide to go into calling station mode . It's times like this that I wish I drank, at least I'd have an excuse for the way I played this hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t160)
Hero (t1530)
UTG (t1170)
MP (t2270)
Button (t2870)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG raises to t450, 3 folds, Hero calls t250.

Flop: (t1000) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: (t1000) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t300, Hero calls t300.

River: (t1600) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t400, Hero calls t400.

Final Pot: t2400

Results in white below: 
Hero has 6h 6s (one pair, sixes).
UTG has As 7s (two pair, aces and sevens).
Outcome: UTG wins t2400.

TheDrone

02-09-2005, 08:45 PM

It's push or fold here, and there's probably no fold equity in a push, so I would have folded.

johnnybeef

02-09-2005, 09:21 PM

facing the all in, fold and its not even close (surely you see why). my qualm with your play is a 1/2 pot size bet on the flopped set. do you really think that a t75 bet is going to stop a fish from drawing to a flush (i apologize for the aliteration). eliminate some opponents with a bet of about 150-200 with the intent of pushing if you get raised. if every one calls, check & fold if a scare card comes off as you will still be left with ~550 in chips. otherwise push on the turn.

Scuba Chuck

02-10-2005, 02:17 AM

BKM, I hope you've read here that your flop bet was a recipe for disaster. IMO, you either raise more than the pot, or check in hopes of a raise. Do everything possible to make any draws pay to play.

In retrospect, you gave them permission, and the correct odds to call with a draw.

SuitedSixes

02-10-2005, 02:57 AM

Someone Smart said something like, "No matter how emphatically you bet, you can't make a card disappear."

First, I would have folded pre-flop . . . but I realize that not everyone plays the way.

Second, if I am playing a hand for set value and I hit my set, I'm not betting 75 with a K against a preflop raiser (albeit a weak one).

But mostly, I just fold pre-flop.

Irieguy

02-10-2005, 03:19 AM

Those small pairs are killing you... hmmm.

Irieguy

PS- If you ever get to know a SNG pro, ask to see their pokertracker data on 22-66... if they can find any.

The Yugoslavian

02-10-2005, 03:53 AM

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Those small pairs are killing you... hmmm.

Irieguy

PS- If you ever get to know a SNG pro, ask to see their pokertracker data on 22-66... if they can find any.

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I think even the *mighty* Irieguy calls the extra 15 chips with 33 in the first hand. (I'm even more sure he plays it much differently post flop as well, /images/graemlins/wink.gif ).

Yugoslav

PS If I drive out to Vegas will you show me your PT stats for pairs 22-66?? /images/graemlins/wink.gif
PPS Pretty please!!! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

rachelwxm

02-10-2005, 11:29 AM

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Those small pairs are killing you... hmmm.

Irieguy

PS- If you ever get to know a SNG pro, ask to see their pokertracker data on 22-66... if they can find any.

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I think even the *mighty* Irieguy calls the extra 15 chips with 33 in the first hand. (I'm even more sure he plays it much differently post flop as well, /images/graemlins/wink.gif ).

Yugoslav

PS If I drive out to Vegas will you show me your PT stats for pairs 22-66?? /images/graemlins/wink.gif
PPS Pretty please!!! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I don't think he even look at PT stats for a guy that busy. /images/graemlins/smile.gif