TPTK

[Jay36489]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($21.21)
BB ($24.5)
UTG ($28.15)
UTG+1 ($58.07)
UTG+2 ($7.75)
Hero ($23.25)
MP2 ($51.5)
MP3 ($55.1)
CO ($51.59)
Button ($13)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP2 calls $2, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.25) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $4</font>, Hero?...

BB is loose and between neutral and passive.

[tbach24]

Make it 12.

[Jay36489]

ok, lets say I make it 12, villain pushes, and its 8 back to you me against a $22 pot.

[steaknshake925]

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ok, lets say I make it 12, villain pushes, and its 8 back to you me against a $22 pot.


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call

[Caruso329]

Agreed with everything else said. I would raise to at least $3 PF though. (not criticizing your raise, just personal preference)

[Jay36489]

I made it 12, and called the push. his 94o held up.

I just cant help feeling I should see this coming. It seems like as soon as you realise your TPTK may not be good you're all in or getting odds to call even if you think you might be behind. Can this be avoided with short stacks?

[Caruso329]

Yes, by raising more PF.

[soah]

Uh, you WANT people to play 94o against you.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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Can this be avoided with short stacks?

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No.

[NiceCatch]

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Uh, you WANT people to play 94o against you.

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Not if you are going to get stacked when they hit their two-pair, and you hit your A or K. Villain invested an extra dollar for a return of roughly $30. If the villain misses the flop, he's out of the hand. Granted 94o is a little ridiculous... but yeah I agree with previous posters. Make it $3 or $4. I think another issue is, you don't mind one or two players going against you with trash, but with that minraise, you could have had 5 or 6 opponents... was it a really tight table??

Regarding minraises preflop... I usually think of them as protection mechanisms for non-made hands. They build the pot with a favorable drawing hand, but allow you to get away from big bets on the flop, because you have so little invested already.

[jhall23]

It wasn't a min-raise pre-flop. This is a .25/.50 game. Looks like it was converted from the HH file and not email so that doesn't show up in the top like normal.

I personally think 4xBB is a good raise from MP if you are the first one in.

[lil_o]

As a rule of thumb, I never want to goto a showdown unless I have a strong hand (trips or better). Thus I try and keep my pots small with TPTK and avoid losing my whole stack in this siutation. Since your stacks were short I think you were gonna be all in almost 100% of the time with this hand.

In this case you are best off putting in a raise on the flop or turn since you don't want this to goto showdown. Unfortunately you guys were playing shortstacked and its tough to get away from this hand without pot commiting yourself.

All in all it was real tough to get away from this one, just wait the for this guy to overplay a hand and break his stack.

[NiceCatch]

Ah my bad... that also actually makes it $1.50 for $30 for the villain. I dunno... just unlucky then? I guess it is tough not to lose your stack in this situation, unless you have a really good read.

[amoeba]

preflop raise is fine.

on the flop I've been known to smoothcall this.

raise does you no good as you will essentially be putting him all in.

He makes no mistakes when you raise.

[vanHelsing]

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on the flop I've been known to smoothcall this.
He makes no mistakes when you raise.

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I have been experimenting with this lately and I like it!
It works best against LAGs as fimbulwinter pointed out several times. Manny of them try to bully you with a trashy hand and a smooth call (you should think some seconds before calling) motivates them to keep on firing. Many of them are sensible enough to fold to a 3x raise. Of course it works best when having position.
In your case villain is on the passive side, but it is still reasonable to call him down. You might earn more when your hand is good and lose less when you are behind.
For the small price of getting outdrawn in case you are ahead, you might optimize your overall results.