elmitchbo
02-08-2005, 02:01 PM
I just spent alot of time reading through the variance post by Toffler. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1668690&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1
very interesting stuff. ed miller said in his post that "99.9% of all limit hold 'em players would make more money, grow their bankroll faster, and have more fun playing if they just forgot about this lowering variance crap and made the highest EV play they could." there in the problem lies. i don't think i really have a grip on quantifying +/-EV situations, and therefore it's not that easy to make the highest EV play all the time. i've read SSHE over and over(along with other poker books, and these forums) and i have a descent grip on how to play 'correct' poker. it's easy enough to know when you have a monster, or when you have crap. but i have a very difficult time deciding if i have +EV with more average hands in more average situations. i know pot odds, pot equity, etc., but i don't think that's enough, or at least that doesn't seem to be enough to cover all the complexities of the game.
maybe it's my lack of math skills. i passed calculus and statistics in college, but i'm certainly no math whiz like the MIT probability forum guys. some of the replies to toffler's variance post ( http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1673457&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&vc=1 ) really appealed to me because that's much closer to the way i see things... 'portfolio management' is inline with my education and natural thought process. i think i view risk vs. reward a little differently than 'math' guys, and i think that might hold me back from making some plays that i should or cause me to make plays that i shouldn't.
again from mr. miller..."that's what poker players do ALL THE TIME to themselves when they try these "I'm gonna lower my EV and variance" plays. They pick all sorts of inappropriate spots that "seem" right, and they end up playing like douchebags." well, count me in the douchebag category. i do that crap all the time. how do i know what is the appropriate time? is it really as simple as 'i've got pot odds, so i call'? i don't think so.
as a mediocre, but improving player it seems to me that these 'bubble' situations are the deal breaker. in order to really make money and beat the rake you have to win with more tha AA in the whole. what's the best way to figure it out? is it just a matter of experience, or is it something that i just don't understand? i think poker might be driving me crazy. /images/graemlins/confused.gif
very interesting stuff. ed miller said in his post that "99.9% of all limit hold 'em players would make more money, grow their bankroll faster, and have more fun playing if they just forgot about this lowering variance crap and made the highest EV play they could." there in the problem lies. i don't think i really have a grip on quantifying +/-EV situations, and therefore it's not that easy to make the highest EV play all the time. i've read SSHE over and over(along with other poker books, and these forums) and i have a descent grip on how to play 'correct' poker. it's easy enough to know when you have a monster, or when you have crap. but i have a very difficult time deciding if i have +EV with more average hands in more average situations. i know pot odds, pot equity, etc., but i don't think that's enough, or at least that doesn't seem to be enough to cover all the complexities of the game.
maybe it's my lack of math skills. i passed calculus and statistics in college, but i'm certainly no math whiz like the MIT probability forum guys. some of the replies to toffler's variance post ( http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1673457&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&vc=1 ) really appealed to me because that's much closer to the way i see things... 'portfolio management' is inline with my education and natural thought process. i think i view risk vs. reward a little differently than 'math' guys, and i think that might hold me back from making some plays that i should or cause me to make plays that i shouldn't.
again from mr. miller..."that's what poker players do ALL THE TIME to themselves when they try these "I'm gonna lower my EV and variance" plays. They pick all sorts of inappropriate spots that "seem" right, and they end up playing like douchebags." well, count me in the douchebag category. i do that crap all the time. how do i know what is the appropriate time? is it really as simple as 'i've got pot odds, so i call'? i don't think so.
as a mediocre, but improving player it seems to me that these 'bubble' situations are the deal breaker. in order to really make money and beat the rake you have to win with more tha AA in the whole. what's the best way to figure it out? is it just a matter of experience, or is it something that i just don't understand? i think poker might be driving me crazy. /images/graemlins/confused.gif