sigh

I got knocked out 16th, really I knocked myself out. I was 4/22 with $31K, leader had $49K and the limit was 1200-2400.


Three hands later, I was in total survival mode trying to make it to 18th and the $700 bump.


The hand that I'm still reeling over starts with me in the SB and an aggressive short stacked BB. Fold to me, I raise with ATo and he calls. The flop is J72 with a two suit. I bet, he raises and I reraise?!? I bet on a king on the turn and he calls. The river is 4 of the suit. I bet and he calls with J3o. There went $11K.


I lose another $10K the next hand with 88, leaving me $10K.


I made the final two tables with $9K, but I was just stunned how fast the visions of the $37K first prize, or there abouts, disappeared. It is, without question, the most depressed I've ever been making $1600.


Looking back on it, I had been pushing it all day, but I had just tighten up, folding 66 when a first-in player raised the hand before.


It took me a few hours to shake the dark mood that surrounded me.


MS Sunshine

visions of grandeur...delusions of paranoia...reality of cards..oh well...


great job taking the money down..gl

Yea, 1600 comparing to 37k is like peanuts. At least you got your buy in back plus more, so be happy. There's always tomorrow.

I was surprized seeing you re-raised with 88 on he button after solid UTG raised. You had a very comfortable $20k stack at this time and could afford to wait for better cards or for an opportunity to be the aggressor. At best you could hope for 50-50 in this spot. He had AK as I recall and you lost half of your stack there.

my favorite play was when you calling stationed with your k7 vs a pair of 55's.... mazing you got as far as you did!

It was A-10. And the flop came with two babies and a ten- and the guy led at him- and he popped it- and got three bet. The A came on the turn- and a blank on the river- and it was bet on the turn and river- and he called it down.


I was surprised to see it also. But remember- sitting on the sidelines its easy to have fresh judgement. After playing for seven hours- and in the heat of the battle- those decisions dont come so easy. But that hand REALLY cost him.

Sorry- to see you not finish higher. I was very surprised- after playing with you for so many satellites- to see you (with such a reasonable stack) get involved as much as you did- towards the end. Its not the style that has made you so successful in the past- when ive played with you.


Hang in there- and start fresh tommorrow.

Lets get em.

Ms sunshine quit your whining.


It is truly amazing how someone could win 1600.00 and start bitching about it. Who cares you have made a lot of money in the events and you shouldnt be complaining. Be grateful your lousy style of playing didnt catch up with you earlier than when it did. I was surprised to see you even make it to top 27. So enjoy your prize and stop whining, when it was your fault anyway... If you cant take losses than dont play.

How come one of your rail bird groupies didn't give you the heimlich maneuver when you started to choke?


Stu

I have no sympathy. As one of the top names on the Pokerstars hit list I am not allowed to win in T's there, even though I can kick the shit out of most who play there anytime on a legit site.


You worked all that time just to lose your marbles thinking ATo was even a playable hand. You then over played it, ran into the Pokerstars standard "I have a pair and I aint folding" crowd and pushed your no pair to the max..... were you paying ANY ATTENTION for all those hours you've played on PStars? 1/2 of them are such stonecold morons they cant spell there own names.... I HAVE JACKS (J3o) so BACKOFF ;-)


Then you tilt out on "working" a mid pair in a LIMIT tourny.


MS, regroup your thoughts before tommorrow, DO NOT be a WASTE-OF-A-SEAT.... just ask Slimmouse.

Truer words have never been spoken. You are very right about Pokerstars tournaments. It really makes you wonder about how they "Randomly" Select the cards. Sort of like How they "Randomly" Give some guy holding an 37 a straight on the river.


Now im not saying they are corrupt I am just saying poker stars really needs to take a serious look at their "Random" number generator. Anyone who has ever played or watched their tournaments knows what I am talking about. The shuffle seems to be anything but random, almost predicitable in reality. Just blows my mind to watch some poor SAP, spend 1 thousand dollars on a tournament at pokerstars. I mean has society gotten this lazey and sick.


For a thousand bucks take off a couple days from work, go to a real casino where the games are regulated and legit,hell buy your kids some new clothes. It is just so sad to see. Well thats all I have to say for now good bye and happy hunting.

Isnt it funny how all the losers can always "beat anyone on a legit site". LOL

HONEST TO GOD HOW THE HELL CAN YOU BITCH WHEN YOUR ALWAYS THERE AT THE END, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU GOT OUT PLAYED THERE AT THE END AND IT WASNT BECAUSE YOU GOT UNLUCKY OR CAUGHT A BAD BEAT

"As one of the top names on the Pokerstars hit list I am not allowed to win in T's there, even though I can kick the shit out of most who play there anytime on a legit site. "


What a joke. One of the most predictable players on the site thinks he is actually one of the best players on the site. PokerStars' hit list? ROTFL.


You're not going to get better until you realize that you're not as good as you think you are.

I can take my losses.


I was trying to share with my friends here my emotions about playing poorly, at the worst time, which led me to losing a chance at a good payday.


MS Sunshine

There is no question, that is what I did.


MS Sunshine

I'm sure that I have played worse than I did yesterday, I just don't remember when.


MS Sunshine

My post wasn't whining about a bad beat, but how stunned I was with my bad play and how I felt afterwards. I'm new to tournaments and was not use to the emotional swings.


In ring games, I usually get over my bad play quickly.


MS Sunshine

I wish to thank everyone that responded.


After a night's sleep, I feel that my melddown was caused by me feeling that everyone was stealing from me and I was going to back them off or some shit like that.


The tournament strategy which I have been following was to isolate the blinds only or only play a multi-player pot with a premium hand.


If I thought someone was robbing me, I was to let the Wookie win. My play yesterday was nothing like this.


As to CrazyJim, and those that agree with him, I'm happy that some poker players look to outside reasons for their losses, it makes the games easier to beat.


Have a nice day today everyone in the BIG event.


MS Sunshine

"I'm new to tournaments and was not use to the emotional swings. In ring games, I usually get over my bad play quickly."


Its been one week- and im so burnt out. I realized from the first couple tournaments that i played- that i could NEVER play a tournament and then play live in the same day. I need a break also. They are emotionally so draining. I couldnt possibly imagine playing them all the time.


"I'm happy that some poker players look to outside reasons for their losses, it makes the games easier to beat."


Aint that the truth.


"After a night's sleep, I feel that my melddown was caused by me feeling that everyone was stealing from me and I was going to back them off or some shit like that."


For whatever its worth. Im glad to hear you say this. My poor play for the most part ALWAYS comes from this 'mind-set'. And ive come to realize-- despite how hard it is to admit-- that when i fall into this trap-- its because i dont feel like i play well enough to win- playing solid. I often play shorthanded hold em with these feelings in mind. They NEVER enter my mind in the split games.


It was a tough realization to come to- but it was the right one for me- despite how humbling it was.

I think PokerStars invited these comments by exposing all-in cards in tournaments.


Most players have no idea how small is AK's edge vs 27. When they see 27 wins they think this was a miracle, rigged, or a lousy shuffle.


If the cards are not shown then in most cases AK will not show his holding and nobody sees a "bad beet"

From someone who plays as well as you, this is very revealing,but still has doubts sometimes about their ablilities then there is hope for me.


MS Sunshine

The thing that has been so helpful for me and the best decision ive ever made in my 'poker career'--is branching out- attempting to play ALL games.


Despite the fact that obviously each game has different nuances- it allows me to understand in general how comfortable i feel with each one- and compare. I would have no point of reference- if i only played one game. I would also have no frame of reference if i played all games similarly well-- which i absolutely do not.


I know how i feel when i play omaha 8- and i know how i feel when i play stud 8- and its NOT how i feel when i play hold em (i wont even talk about stud hi).


Of course- with continued success- or failure- those feelings continue to either diminish or be enhanced. Its all about putting in hours- i guess- and learning from our mistakes- and successes. But mostly from the mistakes.


Chances are- if you're put into the same position in a tourney next time- youll play much, much better. I have no doubts.

Except SHOWING the cards in an ALLIN situation is the rule in most live casino tournies. So PStar is just doing what ALL of them should do... PLAY by the RULES.

Nothing outside about it, there is something OFF about PStars.... I've played many other places, only Paradise and Pokerstars have ever raised a red flag.


Paradise I believe definitely has "action" boards and cards but its all even, and skill wins out, albeit at a higher variance than should be.


Pokerstars, no way do 2nd best hands win the way they do there if everything is upanup. I cant prove it, maybe Im just nutz... er... crazy... but Ive played on Paradise, Planet, Pokerpages, WSex, UBet, Party, propoker, True, IRC, and pokerspot.


In all that, the ONLY places I ever came to see as "off" are Paradise and Pokerstars, and between them all Im close to 1 MILLION hands played of online poker. Ive managed to breakeven or win on all except WSex where I lost $100. On PStars Im in the hole $710 net but I played 83 tournaments between $10 and $50 entry fee ($18 avg) so Im actually UP $700 in the ring games. Hardly a loser... Ive never made pretence about being a high stakes player.


I wasn't trying to insult you, you asked for advice, I thought mine was good. Didnt work though. But no game with me in it is ever going to be easier MS.

Yes, but no online room does this for tournaments to my knowledge. There is no doubt that this contributes to the feeling that there are more bad beats than it should be at Stars.


Besides, how many tournament tables can you watch closely in a b & m room?

so you are at the top of the PS hit list and you are still a winner there. How can I get on this list?

Hit list as in not gonna win a tourny.... EVER, as in they will see to it I lose no matter what. SO I wont be back, its a waste of time.


My in the money rate was 5% rather than the 40% on Paradise (405), pokerpages (95), and Foxwoods (108).


But you are probably right, Im just paranoid.

I agree