Q2s SB hand

[Dave Mac]

Can't find the HH, so hope this is still clean.

I am the SB with Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif,
UTG+1 raises, MP calls, CO calls, I call, BB raises, UTG+1 caps, all call.

5 to the flop for 20 small bets

flop is J /images/graemlins/spade.gifT /images/graemlins/spade.gif3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I check, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP bets, CO calls, I call, BB folds, UTG+1 calls

turn is the K /images/graemlins/spade.gif

I check, UTG+1 checks, MP bets, Co folds, I raise, UTG+1 folds, MP calls

River is the T /images/graemlins/heart.gif
I bet he calls.
comments

[TStoneMBD]

fold preflop for the first raise, fold after it comes back to you capped. checkraise the flop to clear up your Q outs.

[Tyler Durden]

I think I like folding preflop and leading the turn. Hard to do both tho.

[Tyler Durden]

Didn't notice it was capped preflop. You must fold when it comes back the second time. Easy fold.

[Dave Mac]

Most of the Poker stove evals looks something like this, 9-16% equity, which makes it appear that i have to make up something like 3-4SBs post flop, which should not be a prob at all which makes it look like an easy pf call. So why do you fold here?
Hand 1: 11.9262 % [ 00.12 00.00 ] { Qs2s }
Hand 2: 50.6975 % [ 00.51 00.00 ] { AdAc }
Hand 3: 07.0242 % [ 00.07 00.00 ] { QcTd }
Hand 4: 16.8589 % [ 00.17 00.00 ] { KhKc }
Hand 5: 13.4933 % [ 00.13 00.00 ] { JhJd }

[Dave Mac]

or this
Hand 1: 12.2224 % [ 00.12 00.00 ] { Qs2s }
Hand 2: 44.0629 % [ 00.44 00.00 ] { AdAc }
Hand 3: 08.4983 % [ 00.08 00.00 ] { QcTd }
Hand 4: 15.8451 % [ 00.16 00.00 ] { KhKc }
Hand 5: 19.3713 % [ 00.19 00.00 ] { 8d7d }

or

Hand 1: 12.3658 % [ 00.12 00.01 ] { Qs2s }
Hand 2: 50.4862 % [ 00.50 00.00 ] { AdAc }
Hand 3: 10.7285 % [ 00.10 00.01 ] { QcTd }
Hand 4: 04.9887 % [ 00.05 00.00 ] { AsKd
Hand 5: 21.4308 % [ 00.21 00.00 ] { 8d7d }

[Tyler Durden]

you're not playing the hand hot and cold....in a capped pot you'll usually be facing heavy action to make your draw.

[steveyz]

In addition, your Q is very unlikely to be good. However, if you hit the Q on the flop, the pot will be so big that you'll have to call and hope that you have 5 outs, although much of the time you'll actually have only 2-3 outs.

[Dave Mac]

...but the post flop action will be +ev, so that just makes it a high varence play, but not worng.
Dave

[Tyler Durden]

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...but the post flop action will be +ev, so that just makes it a high varence play, but not worng.
Dave

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can you explain how the post flop action will be +ev?

[bugstud]

is this a 2/3 sb/bb structure?

[Dave Mac]

Sorry yeah party 15.

[TStoneMBD]

there are reverse implied odds with this hand in a capped pot, not implied odds. what, because your hand is suited you think that you suddenly have implied odds? you might as well play every suited hand in that case because you can make up the bets postflop with far superior play.

[Dave Mac]

I am not putting in money unless it is plus ev for me, if i flop a flush draw 2 pair etc. when i put in moeny it will be +ev.
Dave

[Dave Mac]

i can't make it up, and i would not call a 3 bet or 4 bet even a HU raise ever, put what looks like 5 way atcion for 2 bets when i have 2/3 of a bet in is at least an ok if not easy call. When it comes back capped i am getting 9-1 to call, i am not usually that far behind and there are enough implied odds to see a flop at that point. I can see folding the first time around i cannot see folding the second time around.
Dave

[Bill C]

What are the impied odds on a piece of cheese? Because that's what your hand is, especially when the pot is capped.

bc

[Tyler Durden]

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What are the impied odds on a piece of cheese? Because that's what your hand is, especially when the pot is capped.

bc

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