$55s, Consistent Allin play

[Scuba Chuck]

I have seen the following play over the past 6 SnGs in the early levels. Is there some logic, or +$EV calcs that make this a good move? I also see this called with AK.

Are these just the fish on the $55s? They've learned not to call with Ax?

***** Hand History for Game 1553297222 *****
50/100 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 9344067) - Mon Feb 07 00:18:31 EST 2005
Table Table 14530 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: BuynPots (1510)
Seat 5: Scuba_Chuck (1420)
Seat 7: Kelleyland (1515)
Seat 8: valorous (1245)
Seat 9: vincekup (1240)
Seat 10: TimmyWilson (3070)
TimmyWilson posts small blind (25)
BuynPots posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Scuba_Chuck [ Qd, 5s ]
Scuba_Chuck folds.
Kelleyland folds.
valorous raises (175) to 175
vincekup raises (1240) to 1240
vincekup is all-In.
TimmyWilson folds.
BuynPots folds.
valorous calls (1065)
Creating Main Pot with $2555 with vincekup
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9s, 9h, 6s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 8s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2555 |
Board: [ 9s 9h 6s 4c 8s ]
BuynPots balance 1460, lost 50 (folded)
Scuba_Chuck balance 1420, didn't bet (folded)
Kelleyland balance 1515, didn't bet (folded)
valorous balance 2560, bet 1240, collected 2555, net +1315 [ Qc Qh ] [ two pairs, queens and nines -- Qc,Qh,9s,9h,8s ]
vincekup balance 0 , lost 1240 [ Ts Tc ] [ two pairs, tens and nines -- Ts,Tc,9s,9h,8s ]
TimmyWilson balance 3045, lost 25 (folded)

[stripsqueez]

calling such a raise with AK doesnt seem a bad plan

i would likely fold 1010 simply because its early to take a marginal position - if your not going to fold 1010 in this spot i prefer pushing because only a flop containing a 10 really clarifies your position

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[Scuba Chuck]

Here's another. Note who's at the the table with me.

***** Hand History for Game 1553596505 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 9346467) - Mon Feb 07 01:20:41 EST 2005
Table Table 12864 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Irieguy (1000)
Seat 2: It_Goes_2_11 (1000)
Seat 3: ATITAGAIN (1000)
Seat 4: ceg11 (1000)
Seat 5: noahshouse1 (1000)
Seat 6: stew40 (1000)
Seat 7: Scuba_Chuck (1000)
Seat 8: jamann (1000)
Seat 9: EEKYTEEKY (1000)
Seat 10: JMShack (1000)
ceg11 posts small blind (10)
noahshouse1 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Scuba_Chuck [ 6c, 6s ]
stew40 folds.
Scuba_Chuck folds.
jamann folds.
EEKYTEEKY raises (30) to 30
JMShack raises (75) to 75
Irieguy folds.
It_Goes_2_11 folds.
ATITAGAIN folds.
ceg11 folds.
noahshouse1 folds.
EEKYTEEKY raises (320) to 350
JMShack raises (925) to 1000
JMShack is all-In.
EEKYTEEKY calls (650)
EEKYTEEKY is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $2025 with EEKYTEEKY,JMShack
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, Jh, Th ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Jc ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2025
Board: [ Qc Jh Th 5h Jc ]
Irieguy balance 1000, didn't bet (folded)
It_Goes_2_11 balance 1000, didn't bet (folded)
ATITAGAIN balance 1000, didn't bet (folded)
ceg11 balance 990, lost 10 (folded)
noahshouse1 balance 985, lost 15 (folded)
stew40 balance 1000, didn't bet (folded)
Scuba_Chuck balance 1000, didn't bet (folded)
jamann balance 1000, didn't bet (folded)
EEKYTEEKY balance 2025, bet 1000, collected 2025, net +1025 [ Kd Ah ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ah,Kd,Qc,Jh,Th ]
JMShack balance 0, lost 1000 [ Kc Kh ] [ two pairs, kings and jacks -- Kc,Kh,Qc,Jh,Jc ]

[ChrisV]

On a $200 the other day, someone raised from UTG. UTG+1 moved in on him. It was a big raise - a situation much like the one below.

UTG called instantly and flipped over TT and beat AK.

While bemoaning his fate, UTG+1 said to UTG "I don't know why you called".

UTG's reply was simply: "pocket tens". In other words, it's just self evident that you don't fold TT preflop.

[Irieguy]

Well, calling with AK all-in here is not something I would do.

But Scuba, more importantly, when the blinds are 100/200 and you raise to 500 from a 3K stack with 88 on the button and the tightest player at the table pushes over the top of you for 1500 from the BB... you have to fold. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Irieguy

[Scuba Chuck]

Yeah, you're right. Coming from the second tightest player at the table, I really should have folded...

Put I had pot odds tho? (I'm laughing as i write this). /images/graemlins/grin.gif

And you did lay down a nice hand. Next time, I will fold to you, even if I have AA.

[bismillahno]

Hi Scuba,

quick question about this hand, you folded 66 UTG+1 in the first hand, I'd usually be trying to limp in here, with implied odds up the...

Are you folding because in the 55's you'll almost always get raised out of the pot? In lower buy in tournies I get to see a flop here often enough that I feel its worth a limp for 15 chips. FWIW I'm folding from level 3, level 2 if its an unusually aggressive table.

cheers

[Scuba Chuck]

Bismal, it's worth it to limp with small pps when there are many limpers. I don't think there were many limpers in front of me when I folded.