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private joker

02-05-2005, 07:59 PM

BB is 16/9/1.7

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP2 calls, CO raises, Button calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Comments on every street appreciated.

gaming_mouse

02-05-2005, 08:22 PM

When there is a bet and more than 1 flop call in this situation, someone almost always has trip in my experience. In this case, four people called an EP flop bet. I would be getting ready to drop my hand on the turn unimproved. However, the turn gave you a gutshot, so now you have odds to continue. As betting out only opens you up to an inevitable raise, I would check/call here, hoping its only one bet back to me. If it 2 back to you, you may not have odds to continue even with your 6 outs. I havn't done the math, but your implied odds are cut as both of your outs are scare cards to your oppos. Also, your K outs are likely only to a chop.

Anyway, c/call the turn for 1 bet. c/fold it for 2.

DemonDeac

02-05-2005, 08:24 PM

lead the flop

private joker

02-05-2005, 08:29 PM

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lead the flop

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Why? How does that protect my hand?

Schizo

02-05-2005, 08:38 PM

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Why? How does that protect my hand?

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Wrong question, it's not about protecting your hand. The most common error is calling w/ overcards in this situation. Bet for value, also if you bet w/ any pocket pair and you bet any time you matched a paired board it will disguise your hand when you hit trips. Let them figure it out.

Schizo

02-05-2005, 08:44 PM

Just curious, what are you doing at 2/4? I thought you played 3/6. I was thinking about moving up, but if you just moved back down, then maybe that would be a bad idea.

gaming_mouse

02-05-2005, 08:44 PM

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also if you bet w/ any pocket pair and you bet any time you matched a paired board it will disguise your hand when you hit trips. Let them figure it out.

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This is a good point, but you can do the same disguising by sometimes checking when you have trips and sometimes checking when you have the pair, as in this case. So I don't think there's anything wrong with joker's flop check.

private joker

02-05-2005, 09:09 PM

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Just curious, what are you doing at 2/4? I thought you played 3/6. I was thinking about moving up, but if you just moved back down, then maybe that would be a bad idea.

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I've never played 3/6 online. I play 3/6 and 4/8 at B&Ms, but only 2/4 online.

jason_t

02-05-2005, 09:18 PM

Why do you play a higher live limit? Is 3/6 and 4/8 live about the same level of difficulty as 2/4 online? Where in LA do you normally play?

I've been playing 2/4 live at the Bike and that's been good, but the competition is really soft and I've been thinking about moving to 3/6 and playing at the Commerce as I hear the game is good there.

deadmunny

02-05-2005, 09:19 PM

Educate me here is my strategy way off here?,

I would lead the flop, a paired board, unraised pF, and SB leading out indicates trip 9's.

No raises?... Bet the turn and depending, check call the river.

Regards D

rmarotti

02-05-2005, 09:24 PM

B&M games are typically much more LP than online games. Go play at Commerce, you have heard correctly.