The rules have been changed to protect the fishy.

[steamboatin]

Grand Victoria, Rising Sun, In chaged their rules yesterday regarding buying chips from the dealer at the table. When you got low on chips, you could buy up to $100 at a time directly from the dealer. I don't think they were supposed to sell you more than $200 total but it depended upon the dealer.

Now you can only buy $50 after you have gone all in and if you want more you have to get up and walk to the cage. the downside is, they don't want to wait in line for chips or by the time they get to the cage, they have time to think about what they are doing and they move on to a table game or head on home.

Our table actually broke up at 6PM on a Friday night. Four guys ran out of chips and all four tried to buy more from the dealer but they didn't want to wait in line at the cage so they left the game.

When we got down to five players, I left to get something to eat. Partially because I was up $300 in less than 2 1/2 hours, I didn't want to play shorthanded and there were four empty seats at other tables so when I left, everybody else got a seat at a full table.

I thought about sitting in another game after dinner but the cardroom was dead and the games didn't look very good so I took the money and ran.

Now that I have rambled all over the spectrum, what I originally meant to ask was, If the fish can't rebuy at the table is it going to be harder to make a big score or will it just help the fish survive a little longer?

[pokerswami]

This is a negative expectation rule change.

When someone gets up from the table to rebuy, he or she overcomes inertia. If someone is moving in a losing, basically straight line, you don't want him changing his attitude, physically or mentally. And since they are interconnected, changing one's attitude physically or mentally will affect the other. Changing your perspective physically often changes your perspective mentally. You see that you can change what you've been doing.

Just as importantly, many recreational poker players play non-poker games in the casino. While they are at the poker table they may stay focused on playing poker. If they stand up and walk somewhere, they visually see other casino activity and may decide that they can have more excitement doing something else in the casino. Getting up to go the restroom is different. They're on a mission to go relieve themselves and return to their seat (where their money is.)

[peachy]

maybe if enought people complain they will reverse this /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[tylerdurden]

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Just as importantly, many recreational poker players play non-poker games in the casino. While they are at the poker table they may stay focused on playing poker. If they stand up and walk somewhere, they visually see other casino activity and may decide that they can have more excitement doing something else in the casino.

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Maybe this is the idea. The casino figures they'll get a bigger chunk of their money from advantage games then they'll get from the rake.

[steamboatin]

I don't know why they changed the rule. The momment I heard the new rule, I knew the games would not be as good and in two hours and 25 minutes we lost four good ATMS and the game broke when I left to eat. It isn't natural for a $5-10 game to break at 6 PM on Friday, normally there's a list.

It makes me think, the fish bust out under the new chip buying rule faster than they are replaced. This is my first time playing under the new rule, so my sample size is very small.

[Randy_Refeld]

Do they still fill out paper work in Rising SUn when the dealer gets more chips LOL. When they had a poker room before (before it was closed) why players that wnated to keep the game moving woudl do is buy a rack of white at the cage bring it to the table and say "dealer can have I have a stack of red" when the dealer was getting low on white and was thinking of stopping the game to get a fill (getting a fill stopped that game for 2 or 3 minutes).

RR

[steamboatin]

It is unaturally slow and the dealers are awful but I seem to run good up there. It is so bad, I can't really express it, it has to be experienced. Getting a fill doesn't stop the game. But, it goes so slow, the game could be stopped for a couple of minutes before you realized it stopped.

[Bigdaddydvo]

Nice run for a couple hours of work...

I'd like to check out Rising Sun, but with it 3 hours away and Caesars just 1, well, you do the math.

Haven't made a trip up since I saw you there last time...been racking my brain trying to win a seat on the damn PP cruise. No luck yet.

[cardcounter0]

The rule change has nothing to do with Poker, and it has nothing to do with the Poker Room.

The rule was changed in accordance with the Grand Victoria's over-all grand policy of treating the customer like dirt every chance it gets.

They obviously noticed that most people almost always buy-in for more than 5 BBs at the table, so they made a rule to stop it. Force them to stand in the long lines at the cage where all the slot machine players are waiting to not get service.

This keeps the poker player in sync with all the other stupid things they do to customers.

I wonder if the citizens of Rising Sun realize that if they were to yank the Hyatt's license and get a first class operator in there, how much more tax revenue they would get?
Rising Sun Location is capable of getting a much larger chunk of Argosy Revenue than they do. Why would you drive further to get treated like crap?
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[cardcounter0]

The math tells me to drive to Rising Sun.
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[steamboatin]

I am not strong at math but I can work this one.

Less than an hour round trip to Caesar's lose a litle maybe break even rarely win more than $100.

Three hour round trip to Rising Sun up $380 for less than five hours of play. Spent more time in the car than at the table.

[SenecaJim]

yeah, ran into this rule when I was there Thurs. nite. One guy left to buy chips and was gone so long thought he went to argosy. An older woman busted and tried to buy in , heard rule, and left. sucks. oh yeah, not only is it $50 rebuy only, you can only do it once a 24 hour period. ha ha, now that is ridiculous.

[Bigdaddydvo]

You forgot one thing, though.


CAESARS RULES!!!

****end of shameless promotion****

[pudley4]

Always buy in for 100BB. When a fish busts out and wants to buy more chips, sell him some of yours. Every once in a while go back to the cage and replenish your stack.

[SenecaJim]

I don't think you can transfer (sell or otherwise ) to friend or foe at the table. Your money has to stay in your stack until you leave.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

A respected and experienced dealer once told me to ALWAYS sell the fish their chips IMMEDIATELY, that way they don't get a chance to change their mind. Good advice, as you are finding out now.

Why doesn't this cardroom have a chiprunner? We don't always sell them out of the rack, but the times we can't, we call for "player's checks" and someone comes a runnin' to sell them the chips. Works like a charm. When it's really slow the floorman can do it, or dealers who are on break but in the room.

al

[deathtoau]

Cash doesn't count? Just leave the bills on the table behind your stack.

[cardcounter0]

Indiana Gaming Laws: Players cannot sell chips to each other, and cash cannot be on the table, nor can cash be used to gamble with -- you have to use chips.

And a chip runner would be against Grand Victoria Customer Non-Service Policy.

A second solution to avoid the long lines at the cage would be for the poker desk to keep a supply of chips there, like Ceasars does, so of course they won't do that either.

[Swampy]

Not that I think this is the reason for the change (or that I don't think it's a stupid move), but the side benefit is that it cuts down wait times -- when people leave the game, the lists move faster.

[SenecaJim]

yes, they will never provide a chiprunner but chips at desk seems like an easy and quick compromise. I think you should be running the casino. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[steamboatin]

That is great, I want the fish to bust out and leave so a shark can take his seat. After a few hours, the only players left will be good players and we can sit around all night trading chips and let the rake eat our lunch.

My table busted up at 6 PM on Friday night. No list and the fish didn't want to wait in line at the cage. Good thing I got there early before the fish all busted out.

[bobbyi]

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Just as importantly, many recreational poker players play non-poker games in the casino. While they are at the poker table they may stay focused on playing poker. If they stand up and walk somewhere, they visually see other casino activity and may decide that they can have more excitement doing something else in the casino.

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Maybe this is the idea. The casino figures they'll get a bigger chunk of their money from advantage games then they'll get from the rake.

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It seems unlikely to me that the poker room has adopted a policy with the intention of discouraging people from playing poker.

[Swampy]

Where I play, when a fish busts out, another fish sits down. Keeps them all thinking they were just unlucky. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I hope you don't think I was arguing in favor of the rule, BTW. Still, it'd be interesting to know if the "waiting at the cage" effect really cuts into profits in the long run.

[tylerdurden]

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Just as importantly, many recreational poker players play non-poker games in the casino. While they are at the poker table they may stay focused on playing poker. If they stand up and walk somewhere, they visually see other casino activity and may decide that they can have more excitement doing something else in the casino.

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Maybe this is the idea. The casino figures they'll get a bigger chunk of their money from advantage games then they'll get from the rake.

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It seems unlikely to me that the poker room has adopted a policy with the intention of discouraging people from playing poker.

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Obviously, if this were the case, it wouldn't be the poker room manager's idea.

This joint doesn't have a dedicated cage just for the poker room???

[SenecaJim]

No, it doesn't. unblievable, heh? But like the old gambler said " I know they're cheating me , but it's the only game in town" Good thing is a lot of real players probably refuse to put up with it which has made the games incredibly soooffffttttt.