Plateauted at mid limits??

[DcifrThs]

I dont want to be what i am forever...

what is there to study to get to where i want to be??

i've exhausted everything but re-reading and posting and talking about hands at the limits i play...

im going through pokertracker as much as possible to look for leaks but i can't necessarily knoww hat i'm looking for...

specifically, folding a pot on the turn or river when you're and odds favorite to win it is a huge mistake...how do you detect that??

not reraising AA to a turn c'r (which i have not done nearly enough) or just calling down when i should raise or reraise the river (thus the reraise on the river post with AA) are also mistakes...how can i know and identify them

anyways, i dont know what else i can do and since i played last, my win rate is higher, but thats a bad sign...to me it means that im just tweaking small things in my game...just like i did when i played lower limits and then moved up...its bad because if i stay here for TOO long, it becomes HABIT!! and once that happens it takes 2x as much work to UNLEARN what inow do instinctively.

i talk with posters and do what i can...but to play higher (which is a goal of mine as a hobby eventually) i'll need to improve more than i can imagine..

i know i need experience. higher level thinking at the spur of the moment is something i only experience playing other players like james282 and clark while playing drunk as bleep 2-4-8-8 or 2/4 low limit...and i don't do that well as i always get made fun of for missing bets or whatever (i.e. james282's free card play when i had bottom pair and raised Td7d utg and he cold called after two friends cold called...i bet the flop and he raises and i go ahead and check a turn blank!!...damn i suck...OR the times i miss river bets and raises....OR even worse, when clark's boss makes fun of me for misplaying a hand)

clearly playing drunken low limits against good players is not a proxy for playing high limit...but it does show that i have trouble doing it FAST and off kilter at the spur of the moment...

where did you guys (mike l., ray zee, DS, MM, J.A. Sucker etc..) get your experience and how?

-Barron

[Phat Mack]

Have you tried higher limits? It sounds as though you may hope to prepare for higher limits by playing lower. I'm not sure this can be done in the way you envision, but I may be misreading your post.

PS: Quit drinking. Playing while drunk or drinking is a trap.

[mike l.]

"where did you guys (mike l., ray zee, DS, MM, J.A. Sucker etc..) get your experience and how?"

i got mine at commerce casino. i suggest you come there asap and bring a lot of cash. let me know when youre in town.

[Danielih]

You have to play higher limits dude. Most people get better by playing people who are better than them. This applies to many things in life outside of poker as well.

[J.A.Sucker]

Hey mike,

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll be down there soon to take your money. Please up your ATM limit before I arrive. Then again, I may end up playing stud instead the next trip I take to LA, so your money will have to wait.

[na4bart]

It applies to ALL things in life!

[Stork]

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You have to play higher limits dude. Most people get better by playing people who are better than them. This applies to many things in life outside of poker as well.

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Not that this is necessarily false, but I would say that this is much less true in poker than in just about anything else.

[J.A.Sucker]

I learned by playing the bigger games. There really is no other way. There are skills that you just develop with time in the games, such as protecting pots, dealing with aggressive players, playing position, owning floaters (which isn't that hard, really), and protecting your bankroll. You've got to go somewhere they've got the bigger games and just play everyday. You'll encounter the different player types and then you can think about what they are doing and how to overcome them (if you can). This means LA, San Jose, Vegas, and possibly Phoenix. That's it.

[Danielih]

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You have to play higher limits dude. Most people get better by playing people who are better than them. This applies to many things in life outside of poker as well.


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Not that this is necessarily false, but I would say that this is much less true in poker than in just about anything else.


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Not that this is necessarily false, but it is true enough of the time in poker and, I am speaking from personal experience.

[Stork]

I just think that with poker, you don't even get to see the good players cards most of the time, and when you do, you still won't necessarily know why he made the plays he did, so its hard to get better just by playing with him. If he were teaching you and explaining his thought process to you in hands he played and stuff like that, then obviously that would help.

[Nomar]

DcifrThs, I agree with the other responses just take away the net, step outa the kiddy pool....

I like playing higher and challenging myself by playing in "bad" games. I know its not the most profitable thing at the time, eg. playing in a soft 40-80 vs an 80 game full of pro's, but I think long term, I will make more money and gain more knowledge playing against players that think and play on multi levels opposed to just the basics..

Something that I read by Daniel Negreanu a couple years back has always stuck with me, he talks about trying to mimic and copy the best players in his game. Take a day and play like neverwin, play a day like costelo, pick people who have distinct playing styles and try to copy them for an entire session. Raise the turn over and over again, try capping everytime you get 3 bet, I think changing and trying new things will allow you to better understand your opponents as well as further you as a poker player.

[Kurwood Derby]

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Raise the turn over and over again, try capping everytime you get 3 bet, I think changing and trying new things will allow you to better understand your opponents as well as further you as a poker player.

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Now there's some truly brainless advice.

[SA125]

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Something that I read by Daniel Negreanu a couple years back has always stuck with me, he talks about trying to mimic and copy the best players in his game. Take a day and play like neverwin, play a day like costelo, pick people who have distinct playing styles and try to copy them for an entire session...................................>>>>"Now there's some truly brainless advice".

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Looking at the context of Nomar's post, instead of the selective piece you chose, makes me think you should asks questions or give a reason why you disagree. Instead of coming out firing shots across the bow at a guy who probably plays a lot higher than you and can bring a lot to the table. Just a suggestion.