how is Hold'em Excellence: From Beginner to Winner by Lou Krieger?

[Joe B.]

how is Hold'em Excellence: From Beginner to Winner by Lou Krieger?

and More Hold'em Excellence: A Winner for Life by Lou Krieger?

is his books great for low limit holdem?

[playersare]

others will have more specific insight than me, but I did pick both of these up during my early, aimless travels between WLLH and SSH/HEFAP.

there's nothing fundamentally wrong with them besides the fact that they're probably too conservative to what is advocated and applicable by Sklansky, Malmuth and company. I also don't know why he put out two volumes with a lot of overlapping information, priced at $20 each.

then again, I don't know why the author endorses a below-mediocre poker site like Royal Vegas either. in my opinion the HEEx series is incidental, unessential reading filler which has too much superior competition on the bookshelf.

[bobbyi]

I thought the first one wasn't very good so I never bothered with the second. I don't remember anything in particular that was wrong with it, it just wasn't that useful. There are definitely better books out there and once you've read them, this one won't add anything new. I don't see any real reason anyone should bother with it.

[Steve McQueen]

Don't read them. I read the first, and it was a mistake.


He advocates a fit or fold mentality which can be devastating in loose low limit games.

He also looks for way too monsters underneath the bed. He tells you that if you are re-raised when the board pairs and you have a flush that you should probably toss your flush. I think this advice is terrible. At least call this down in limit poker. I wouldn't fold a two card flush unless the board is doubled paired and theres action.

[TomBrooks]

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I wouldn't fold a two card flush unless the board is doubled paired and theres action.

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That's how Lee Jones sez to play it and it makes sense to me. -TomBk

[BarronVangorToth]

A book that everyone should own that covers a lot of these questions is Mason's "Gambling Theory" which has a great book review section in the back of it. Just buying this book will save you hundreds on a bunch of books that many of us have had the misfortune of buying and wasted time reading whereas reading these reviews would steer you correctly every time. For books after that, he had a follow-up that he posted on 2+2:

Mason's Newer Reviews (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=450677&page=&view=&sb=5&o =&fpart=all&vc)


Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com (http://www.BarronVangorToth.com)

[Zygote]

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That's how Lee Jones sez to play it and it makes sense to me. -TomBk

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Lee Jones is not a person low limit advice should be taken from. Also, what makes sense to you, isn't always whats right. Ed Miller often says that common sense can be a poker player's worst enemy.

[BadBatsuMaru]

Really? I read both Krieger's HE Excellence and Jones' Winning LLH when I started playing, and I thought the Lee Jones book was the much better one.

Wasn't the Krieger book the one where he rambled about metagame concerns and life in general for half the book?

[Rudbaeck]

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Really? I read both Krieger's HE Excellence and Jones' Winning LLH when I started playing, and I thought the Lee Jones book was the much better one.

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It's certainly the lesser of two evils. And WLLH will atleast make you a small winner at the small stakes, which I doubt Hold'em Excellence will.