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steveyz
02-03-2005, 06:29 PM
This is usually a muck for me preflop, but for some reason I called this.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (11 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

What's my line? Anyone like/dislike the flop raise? Anyone just call down after the turn raise?
TStoneMBD
02-03-2005, 07:05 PM
fold preflop, check-call the river. rest is fine.
oscark
02-03-2005, 07:07 PM
Fold preflop, but I think you got to bet that river.
Buckshot
02-03-2005, 08:18 PM
It's funny because this specific hand, 97o or suited, is where I'm losing the most according to my PTDB. Now I basically don't play it until I can figure out how to play it best.

That being said I would fold this preflop 100% of the time to a button raise. After that everything else is cream cheese.

~stephen
goofball
02-03-2005, 09:50 PM
i think it is insane to fold this preflop.
bobby rooney
02-03-2005, 09:54 PM
I think you have to bet the river. Only one opponent left and you've been aggressive throughout, if he has no club there's at least some chance he will muck which is all you need with these odds.
steveyz
02-03-2005, 09:56 PM
If he has no club, then I have the best hand and I'd want him to call.
Levi King
02-03-2005, 10:00 PM
Why do you want him to fold on the river?

Fold pre flop. Bet the river and call a raise.
Buckshot
02-03-2005, 11:46 PM
How about elaborating as to why not folding preflop is insane?

~stephen
DcifrThs
02-04-2005, 12:04 AM
i was playing 20/40 at ameristar when i found an exception to clark's theorem (betting the river 100% heads up on 4flush board)...unfortuanately, i forgot it and will have to look it up in my book...

this is not one of those times...bet the river.

-Barron
goofball
02-04-2005, 02:37 AM
i presume you mean why folding preflop is insane.

I could have the best hand, I could make the best hand, your opponent has very little idea what you hold and can usually be counted on to spew several bets post flop if I do indeed make the best hand, and I feel comfortable folding a lot of second best hands.
Buckshot
02-04-2005, 03:32 AM
I don't think folding preflop is insane. In fact I think it's insane to call. Even if the button is stealing the SB isn't! What range of hands does the SB have that this statement

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I could have the best hand

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becomes valid?

I'm not sure the type of players you run into day in and day out but if you're suggesting that 9 high is often the best hand then I'd like to play where you play.

~stephen
Shibby
02-04-2005, 04:27 AM
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I don't think folding preflop is insane. In fact I think it's insane to call. Even if the button is stealing the SB isn't! What range of hands does the SB have that this statement

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I could have the best hand

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becomes valid?

I'm not sure the type of players you run into day in and day out but if you're suggesting that a straight is often the best hand then I'd like to play where you play.

~stephen

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roy_miami
02-04-2005, 04:31 AM
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i was playing 20/40 at ameristar when i found an exception to clark's theorem (betting the river 100% heads up on 4flush board)...unfortuanately, i forgot it and will have to look it up in my book...

this is not one of those times...bet the river.

-Barron

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Call a raise?
Buckshot
02-04-2005, 05:29 AM
He suggested that 79o might be the best hand, which is ludicrous, then suggested he could make the best hand, which is fine. What are you trying to say by changing my statement?

You know what, nevermind.

~stephen
DcifrThs
02-04-2005, 06:03 AM
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i was playing 20/40 at ameristar when i found an exception to clark's theorem (betting the river 100% heads up on 4flush board)...unfortuanately, i forgot it and will have to look it up in my book...

this is not one of those times...bet the river.

-Barron

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Call a raise?

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no