Set value in STTs

[PoBoy321]

Here's a question that I've been thinking of lately and I'm wondering if anyone else has any thoughts.

In cash games, it makes sense to call a raise of 5-10% of your stack in order to try to flop a set and hopefully bust an overpair. Does this apply to STTs? Given how rarely you'll hit your sets, is this foolish in STTs? Granted, doubling up early can certainly give you great chip position for later in the tournament, but given how rarely you'll hit those sets, is this really just a waste of your chips?

[El Maximo]

Does anyone have any long term stats on thier small pockets from 7-10 players in PT. My are losing chips but my sample size isnt large enough to be accurate.

[Slim Pickens]

Maybe if we get enough people together it'll start to converge...

I generally limp (or fold in EP) and play for sets only. My PP 9 and below, with 7-10 at the table in STT:

190 hands saw flop
win: 26.84% (geez, is it really that high?)
+0.18 BB/hand

[revots33]

If I have a low PP and 1000 chips, and someone raises to say 75 (7.5% of my stack), I'll definitely call if I close the betting or if I think there won't be any reraises behind me. Going from 1000 to 925 doesn't hurt me too much, but the opportunity is there to win a very big pot if I hit the set. I think it's a good risk-reward play early in a STT.

[ColdestCall]

I have become pretty convinced that low pockets on Levels 1 - 3 are -EV, unless you can be reasonably sure that you are closing the betting pre-flop, are not putting more than 5% of your stack into the pot pre-flop, and think there is a decent chance of getting paid if you hit your set.

I cannot, however, prove this, and would be interested in seeing how other folks are doing with them.

[ReDeYES88]

similar thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1654452&page=2&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1)

[spentrent]

For me it boils down to this: are the villains' stacks big enough to pay me off? If I call for 60, can I win 480?

[Big Limpin']

When you say [ QUOTE ]
it makes sense to call a raise of 5-10%

[/ QUOTE ] , is that based on you having a 1 in 8 chance of flopping the set? See, the thing is, you assume that you will get paid off (fully doubled) whenever a set hits you. Unfortunately, this is often not the case.
Two things have to happen...you flop your set, AND someone else makes a big hand they are willing to pay you off.