Move of honor?

[krazyace5]

Is this always pushing all in with high pockets? Why do you find this better than normal bets?

[Kaz The Original]

Because they're somewhat as likely to be called. Mind you I have never really done it.

[amoeba]

because of its trickiness.

and the times they fold, you don't lose out on much.

[Seether]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($104.05)
SB ($400.85)
Hero ($107.35)
UTG ($50.9)
UTG+1 ($225.6)
MP1 ($87.05)
MP2 ($219)
MP3 ($96)
CO ($81.2)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $107.35 (All-In)</font>, SB calls $105.35.

Flop: ($214.70) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($214.70) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($214.70) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $214.70

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Js As (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Ks Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $214.70. </font>




I think its a decent tactic to use when you think there is a good chance you wont get action anyways.

[MisterKing]

[ QUOTE ]
I think its a decent tactic to use when you think there is a good chance you wont get action anyways.

[/ QUOTE ]

Perhaps, but of all the good recommendations made by David Sillers in the Jan '05 2+2 mag, this one is probably the least useful. The number of players who will call "move of honor" bets are few, and the money you give up from bad calls by others that become folds when you push probably reduces overall profitability of the move by a significant chunk.

Now, IF you're in LP, AND its folded to you, AND a player in later pre-flop position (meaning to your left and yet to act) is maniacal or has a tendency to take big raises as a challenge to his character, THEN this suddenly becomes a more attractive option. But to utilize the move of honor outside those paramaters, to me, seems to be sub-optimal.

Players frequently using this play, particularly with KK, need to be better capitalized in terms of bankroll than those that do not. Your variance will go up substantially, moreso if you're doing this with a stack of 100+ BB's in a 50BB game (e.g. Party's NL$25 and NL$50s).

[amoeba]

I think the move of honor also refers to doing a push preflop reraise instead of a standard reraise.

[Jay36489]

I've had good success with it. Against late night drunk LAGs it works best, particularly if you are pushing PF with AA and there is already a raise in front. A tight passive table is not the place for this move.

[numb3rs]

yeah... so profitable /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Seat 1: Villian ( $543.9 )
Seat 3: seat3 ( $218.2 )
Seat 4: seat4 ( $355.4 )
Seat 5: seat5 ( $200 )
Seat 6: seat6 ( $184 )
Seat 7: seat7 ( $281.1 )
Seat 8: seat8 ( $227 )
Seat 10: seat10 ( $285.95 )
Seat 9: Hero ( $212 )
Seat 2: seat2 ( $200 )
seat1 posts small blind [$2].
seat2 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ad As ]
seat3 folds.
seat4 folds.
seat5 folds.
seat6 folds.
seat7 folds.
seat8 folds.
Hero raises [$12].
seat10 folds.
Villian raises [$93].
seat2 folds.
Hero is all-In [$200]
Villian calls [$117].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, Ts, Jc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
Villian shows [ Js, Td ] two pairs, jacks and tens.
Hero doesn't show [ Ad, As ] a pair of aces.
Villian wins $425 from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and tens.

Seat 1: seat1 ( $104.9 )
Seat 2: seat2 ( $45.85 )
Seat 3: seat3 ( $139.75 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $73.1 )
Seat 5: seat5 ( $208.5 )
Seat 6: seat6 ( $95.7 )
Seat 7: Villian ( $255.4 )
Seat 8: seat8 ( $157 )
Seat 9: seat9 ( $82.7 )
Seat 10: seat10 ( $125.2 )
seat2 posts small blind [$1].
seat3 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qc Qd ]
Hero raises [$7].
seat5 folds.
seat6 folds.
Villian raises [$25].
seat8 folds.
seat9 folds.
seat10 folds.
seat1 folds.
seat2 folds.
seat3 folds.
Hero is all-In [$66.1]
Villian calls [$48.1].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 2h, 9s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
Villian shows [ 4c, Kh ] a pair of kings.
Hero doesn't show [ Qc, Qd ] a pair of queens.
Villian wins $146.2 from the main pot with a pair of kings.

Seat 1: seat1 ( $104.9 )
Seat 3: seat3 ( $108.75 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $93 )
Seat 5: seat5 ( $403 )
Seat 6: seat6 ( $279.7 )
Seat 7: Villian ( $41.65 )
Seat 8: seat8 ( $173 )
Seat 10: seat10 ( $199 )
Seat 2: seat2 ( $202 )
Seat 9: seat9 ( $26 )
seat2 posts small blind [$1].
seat3 posts big blind [$2].
seat9 is sitting out.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ As Kd ]
Hero raises [$7].
seat5 folds.
seat6 folds.
Villian is all-In [$41.65]
seat8 folds.
seat10 folds.
seat2 folds.
seat3 folds.
Hero calls [$34.65].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 6d, Qs ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]
Hero shows [ As, Kd ] a pair of fives.
Villian shows [ 6h, Jh ] two pairs, sixes and fives.
Villian wins $83.3 from the main pot with two pairs, sixes and fives.

Seat 1: seat1 ( $104.9 )
Seat 3: seat3 ( $105.75 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $49.35 )
Seat 5: seat5 ( $403 )
Seat 6: seat6 ( $279.7 )
Seat 7: Villian ( $86.3 )
Seat 8: seat8 ( $173 )
Seat 10: seat10 ( $199 )
Seat 2: seat2 ( $201 )
Seat 9: seat9 ( $26 )
Hero posts small blind [$1].
seat5 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh Ac ]
seat6 folds.
Villian is all-In [$86.3]
seat8 folds.
seat10 folds.
seat2 folds.
seat3 folds.
Hero is all-In [$48.35]
seat5 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 5d, 5c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
Hero shows [ Qh, Ac ] two pairs, nines and fives.
Villian shows [ Kc, 2s ] two pairs, kings and nines.
Villian wins $36.95 from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and nines.
Villian wins $97.7 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and nines.

Seat 3: seat3 ( $102.75 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $97 )
Seat 5: seat5 ( $398 )
Seat 6: seat6 ( $275.7 )
Seat 7: Villian ( $255.65 )
Seat 8: seat8 ( $168 )
Seat 10: seat10 ( $196 )
Seat 2: seat2 ( $198 )
Seat 9: seat9 ( $26 )
Seat 1: seat1 ( $94 )
seat6 posts small blind [$1].
Villian posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Js Jh ]
seat8 calls [$2].
seat10 folds.
seat1 folds.
seat2 folds.
seat3 folds.
Hero raises [$7].
seat5 folds.
seat6 folds.
Villian raises [$23].
seat8 folds.
Hero is all-In [$90]
Villian calls [$72].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, Tc, Jd ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
Villian shows [ Ts, 9h ] a straight, nine to king.
Hero doesn't show [ Js, Jh ] three of a kind, jacks.
Villian wins $194 from the main pot with a straight, nine to king.

Seat 3: seat3 ( $102.75 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $100 )
Seat 5: seat5 ( $398 )
Seat 6: seat6 ( $274.7 )
Seat 7: Villian ( $317.65 )
Seat 8: seat8 ( $164 )
Seat 10: seat10 ( $233 )
Seat 2: seat2 ( $198 )
Seat 9: seat9 ( $26 )
Seat 1: seat1 ( $94 )
seat8 posts small blind [$1].
seat9 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh Kh ]
seat9: lol
seat10 folds.
seat1 calls [$2].
seat2 folds.
seat3 folds.
Hero raises [$7].
seat9: i guess i picked the right table
seat9: heheh
seat5 folds.
seat6 folds.
seat9: you crazy mofos
Villian raises [$196].
seat8 folds.
seat9 folds.
seat1 folds.
Hero is all-In [$93]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 9s, Jd ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
Villian shows [ 4c, Ts ] a straight, nine to king.
Hero doesn't show [ Qh, Kh ] two pairs, kings and queens.
Villian wins $96 from side pot #1 with a straight, nine to king.
Villian wins $202 from the main pot with a straight, nine to king.

[amoeba]

out of all those hands only 1 was the move of honor.

don't whine about bad beats.

[JoeC]

Amoeba just made the exact same post I was going to.