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Irishboy
02-01-2005, 12:54 AM
UTG is a tight, aggressive player (17.6 / 11.7), MP2 is loose and hyper-aggro.

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Preflop: Irishboy is UTG+2 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Irishboy 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 caps</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, Irishboy calls.

Flop: (17.66 SB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Irishboy bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Irishboy caps</font>, MP2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Uh oh! I'm guessing UTG has a pair TT or higher. I hope it's JJ or broadway spades.

Turn: (13.83 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Irishboy bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>

Ok, no I feel at least 90% certain I am behind. The only hand I still feel good about is JJ. I seriously doubt I'm against ATs here. Check-raising the turn is a very strong play for someone who is on a AK/KQ spade-ish kind of draw...is he that tricky? ...it can't be ruled out. He has been hyper-aggro at every available opportunity in this hand and this has not been his MO thus far.

Call down or fold?

Irishboy
02-01-2005, 08:11 AM
bump

stonecoldnuts
02-01-2005, 08:30 AM
Call him down. Its a tough decision based on your reads, but there's enough in the pot to look him up.

ggbman
02-01-2005, 10:04 AM
I think you have to call down here.

wgarvin
02-01-2005, 10:06 AM
'Good' laydowns in this sort of position are why 'good' players make less on PP than they should. You are getting 9-1 on JJ, ATs, some other random PP, a flushdraw semibluff, and - horrors - a cold bluff by someone who reads you as a player who can lay down. 9-1 is ample. And you have 2 outs for good measure. Just MO.