Very Deep Stacked Tourney Results

[nickey009]

I posted a couple messages about the very deep stacked tourney I was going to be playing in. I just wanted to tell you all what happend and get some feed back into the first hand I played.

I finished 8th out of 40 which was enough to win 125 bucks. I'll take it. I got busted out when I got all-in pre-flop with KK and 88 caught an 8 on the flop. Oh well, it happens.

So, here is hand #1. I happen to be the BB on hand 1 and I see T5 suited. Blinds are 10-15 and we have 15000 chips. There are a bunch of limpers and we get to see the flop. Flop is 789 rainbow. Gives me an open ended but for the most part I just want to see how the table is playing. SB checks and I check a couple more checks and someone leads out for 100. There are a bunch of callers and I call too. The turn is a 6s. Puts 2 of my suit on the board and gives me the straight. SB checks. I'm going to look to take the pot down right here. I lead for 2500. folded around to SB who raises me 5000. Should I call this? I do because I figure my flush outs are clean. River is a blank and he goes all in. Could someone really put there tourney life on the line without the nuts on hand one? I ended up folding it. 50% of chips town the tubes....but I fight back to take 8th. I'll take it.

[nickey009]

Any thoughts on how I played the hand? Is it confusing?

[Vermicious Knid]

How much was in the pot on the turn. It would seem that there was only 500-700 in the pot at this point. If so, I don't like your turn bet at all. The only person who is going to call that bet (or raise it) is someone who has the nuts.

The idea of winning the pot right there doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If you make around a pot size bet, you will might get looser players with hands you are ahead of like A9 or 98 or 77 to call. You will also lose less on those occasions where someone has the nuts.

[nickey009]

Yeah, I'm thinking that 2500 was too much. The pot at the time was roughly 700. A bet of 1400 would have been much better for sure. I have a hard time keeping track of what the pot is when playing in real tourney's. I'm an online player and having that number readily available is a huge help. The other thing too is that I didn't want some random J4s to kill my spade outs. Knowing that my spades would be good in a heads up match was where I wanted to be.

[Potowame]

blinds are 10/15 right? /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif

its a long game, with Deep Deep stacks. You are trying to break someone on the first hand with a 2nd nut str8. and way from the nuts flush draw. A bet to 500 or even 700 is reasonable to take the pot, but a 2500 bet is just bad poker, sry.

[nickey009]

No worries. I know I made a bad play there. I'm thinking that anywhere between 700-1400 really doesn't tell me where I'm at in the hand though. 2500 tells me right away that I'm up against the nuts and I need the spade.

[ThrillFactor]

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No worries. I know I made a bad play there. I'm thinking that anywhere between 700-1400 really doesn't tell me where I'm at in the hand though. 2500 tells me right away that I'm up against the nuts and I need the spade.

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You're not listening...

700 is plenty enough to tell you where you're at unless your specific opponent in this hand fails in his understanding of NL Tourneys so badly that he makes this sort of over-the-top-all-in play with the 10-high straight (or worse).

Plus is doesn't cost you half your stack if you are up against the nuts.

[nickey009]

No, I am listening. Do you think that 700 is enough to drive off the guy with the 10 high straight? how about the flush draw? I'm guessing pot odds wise I'd probably want there call.....but because I'm first to act if the guy right after me calls then damn near everyone is gonna' come along right?

[B Mando]

How long did this tournament take to complete? I remember your inital post and I thought it was almost impossible to complete in one day give the players where not going to go insane.

[Rushmore]

Man, I am mystified by this play.

You bet 3 1/2 times the pot from first position on the turn with the 2nd nut straight and a flush draw? In a tournament that has a LOT of play in the structure?

Look, if you get called when you bet that amount, you have WAY overpaid for your information, because you're not going to WIN this called bet unless you make the flush AND it holds up.

As someone else pointed out, you will achieve exactly the same thing if you bet $700, AND you're more likely to be paid off by a weaker hand.

[nickey009]

I know I know....I made a bad bet. Believe me I totally get it. I realize that a bet of 700-1000 would have given me the same information. I do have a bit of trouble keeping track of the pot size since I'm typically an online player. I just knew that it was my turn to act and I wanted to fire something at this pot that would allow me to take it down right away. Even the thought process was probably wrong but that's where I was.

As for the length of the tourney it was 13 hours. Started at noon and ended at about 3AM. Had a few breaks in between. It's not easy to play poker for 13 straight hours. It's a real endurance trial.

[BetTheFlop]

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As for the length of the tourney it was 13 hours. Started at noon and ended at about 3AM.

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LOL...this thread just keeps getting funnier and funnier...I'll let others elaborate.

Rob

[sloth469]

I want to give him the benefit of the doubt here and think that he didn't count the break time. But yeah. To tell you the truth even witht hte structure I don't hate your play. There are so many really weak players in poker today that are going there w/ any str8 or maybe even flush draw.

Not great but not horrible as I think it reaks of an over pair you can't get away from.

I haven't really read all that closely, do we know how it ended?

-sloth

[nickey009]

Just to add to the humor for BetTheFlop I'll post again. I said about 13 hours because the tourney actually started around 12:30 after we discussed rules and such. There was an hour break for pizza and numerous some 15 minute breaks to stretch our legs. We left the tourney at 3 after discussing a few things so there's your 13 hours.

If you're laughing at me because we finished so early when the blind structure was so whacked out I feel obligated to tell you that we didn't cap the blinds. When the tourney ended blinds were 20-40k with each guy having about 300k in chips. Both sides were a little delirious since it was late and they had been playing so long.

[sloth469]

The forum lost a post of mine, after i re-read the question i said i would come back over the top on the turn, and i went on to explain why.

It was quite long, but a good deal of it was because it was the first hand, when all the fish are still in there. Even if he is ahead of you there you have 9 outs to win and 3 to tie. I would be willing to make this play, even if I thought there was a 75% chance he is holding tj, to save myself 13 hours and for the image it would help you to establish.

That's just me. I'd definately rather bust here with the second to the nut and a live draw than in 8th place after 15 hours (counting breaks) for a little more than $100.

Again, that's just me.

-sloth

[esbesb]

That's not a bad point actually.

[nickey009]

The thought crossed my mind. Actually, here's another aspect of this. The first person out gets to play next year for free. But they also had to be the dealer for one of the other tables until one of the tables broke. I also wanted to stay in it because my buddy and I said we'd split whatever we won at this thing 50/50. I didn't want to go out first. This was very much an all or nothing tourney and we were there to win it all.

He was the one who broke me on the final table with 88 vs. KK and used my chips to finish first. So in the end even though I lost I won.

[nickey009]

I do like the point about all the fishies being there too. This was probably the one guy at my table that I thought was going to be a player. He was wearing a hat from the bicycle casino. That was the only thing I had to go on. During the course of the night though he talked in great length about how he did in this tourney and in that and how he was play "small stakes" 6/12 at the bellagio.