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ChristinaB
01-30-2005, 05:21 PM
'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm30.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/01/30/ixworld.html)

A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.

The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.

She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.

Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.

"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."

Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centres, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.

Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.

"Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.

Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.

Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.

Miss Garweg believes that pressure on job centres to meet employment targets will soon result in them using their powers to cut the benefits of women who refuse jobs providing sexual services.

"They are already prepared to push women into jobs related to sexual services, but which don't count as prostitution,'' she said.

"Now that prostitution is no longer considered by the law to be immoral, there is really nothing but the goodwill of the job centres to stop them from pushing women into jobs they don't want to do."

Wake up CALL
01-30-2005, 07:07 PM
Involuntary sexual servitude? Heh, perhaps Germany isn't as screwed up as I had thought in the past.

tek
01-30-2005, 08:17 PM
Germany is still run by nazis...only now they are brutalizing their own people. haha

ChoicestHops
01-30-2005, 08:22 PM
I dont understand employment problems here in America, half of the fast food restaurants and other stores I run by are hiring.

zaxx19
01-30-2005, 08:24 PM
I dont think a person can support him-herself on minimum wage jobs when figuring in you need to trasportation, room,board...etc etc. Wasnt that the point of the Barbara Ehrenreich book "Nickle and Dimed"??

ChoicestHops
01-30-2005, 08:27 PM
I think you can. Get a roomate, split the costs. It's just the fact that no one wants to work jobs like that. The Mexicans are glad to, however. They'll work 60 hr weeks. The goal of keeping our borders open so they can fill up the capitalism gap worked.

zaxx19
01-30-2005, 09:22 PM
I think the important point is they arent willing to work those jobs AT THOSE WAGES...

If it wasnt for the Mexicans the wages would shoot up...and people would be more willing to work at them..or so it goes.

Alot of the people that work 60-80 hrs a weeks also leave and move back to Mexico for a third of the yr...so their living expenses and stuff arent exactly the same.

Also, working 60hr+ a week without any healthcare seems like a recipe for disaster to me. Im hardly a liberal but the minimum wage is just an absolute joke. I personally was to lazy/spoiled to get a McJob as a teen but have logged some hours at horrible jobs....at least I got 10-13+ dollars/Hr to be at them.

TomBrooks
02-01-2005, 01:46 PM
At first I was shocked by this, but after sleeping on it, I thought it may not be such a misguided idea.

By my own survey and estimates, in the USA 75%-90% of the people collecting unemployment are not looking for a job at all, are not seriously looking for a job, or take a job off the books while collecting.

It might therefore logically follow that if these people are willing to whore money off the Government, any objection they had to whore for sex would be undermined. If the unemployment collecting scam in Germany is even worse than it is in the USA, this principal could hold even more applicable.

-TomBk