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Akimka

01-30-2005, 02:56 PM

Confused about this. Should fold anywhere?

MP1 is fishy VPIP 57, PFR 3, postflop agr 1.45
SB is vpip 27, PFR 8, postflop agr 0.85

Is there any place to fold?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, MP1 caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (14 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

BottlesOf

01-30-2005, 03:00 PM

Raise preflop, lead the flop when checked to.

brettbrettr

01-30-2005, 03:00 PM

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Confused about this. Should fold anywhere?

MP1 is fishy VPIP 57, PFR 3, postflop agr 1.45
SB is vpip 27, PFR 8, postflop agr 0.85

Is there any place to fold?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, MP1 caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (14 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

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Yuck. Firstly, raise pre-flop. The hand plays a hell of alot differently if you can get a 6 to fold /images/graemlins/grin.gif

As it is, I'm not sure I like raising the turn. I don't know if I fold there, but you're either looking at a 3-way split or 2 of you are being taken for a really bad ride. Folding is probably the play, but calling might work too, I guess, possibly, maybe.

Harv72b

01-30-2005, 03:04 PM

Raise preflop.

Bet the flop.

It could be argued that you should fold the turn for 2 bets, as you are almost dead to any 6 and almost certainly chopping with at least 1 of your opponents if you are good. Getting 2.5:1 to call doesn't cut it, unless you know that your opponents would both behave this way with TP.

I'm not sure I could fold this during the game, but by the time the rake is done with the pot, you're probably only breaking even if this is a 3-way chop.

wuwei

01-30-2005, 03:16 PM

Like others said, you must raise preflop here and isolate the loose limper.

As it stands here on the turn, there's 5 BB in the pot and it's 2 to you to call. Getting 5:2 when it appears at best I'm splitting and at worst I'm dead to a 6, I think I can fold the turn and still sleep well at night.

If the pot were bigger, I would call it down - but the raise is a bad idea.

SamIAm

01-30-2005, 03:21 PM

Raising preflop should be obvious. Even if you didn't, when it's checked to you on the flop, it should be clear that you need to bet your overcards and gutshot and position.

I think you can fold the bottom end of the straight for 2 bets cold. It's a killer, but clearly one of them has a straight. MAYBE the other only has 2 pair, but that's a real stretch. (And besides, then he has redraws to the boat. /images/graemlins/smile.gif )

I think you can fold it. Yell and scream if you don't see a 6 on the river, though. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
-Sam

Akimka

01-30-2005, 03:23 PM

Yep. Thanks. Now i understand that it's almost impossible to fold other A here. Should fold&foeget here i think. For lowering deviation purposes too....