What you think of this line? 5/10

[Zygote]

No reads currently on any players.


Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.70 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Button folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.70 BB

[IndianOcean]

chances are if the other playere was any good, you lost to a better kicker like 8Ts or ATo

[Zygote]

He had A10s, good call, but do you think think it was a profitable line? Obviously there are chances for better hands.

[Victor]

hi zygote
fold preflop

[Zygote]

Why?

[eL CardinaL]

Cause T7s got nothing to do in a raised 3way pot.

[Zygote]

okay, but why? I can't find anything in SSH that would indicate a fold here.

[eL CardinaL]

Well I dont have Pokerstove or anything like that but a low suited 2 gapper plays very poor vs a raise + a cold call out of position.

[Michael Davis]

Yes, I agree if you have to call two bets.

-Michael

[eL CardinaL]

So you would call with T7s out of position getting 6-1 ?

[Zygote]

okay, do you have evidence for this? As i'm sure you know, to win in poker you don't need a hand to always "play well", you simply need it play well a profitable percent. Ed miller encourages calling almost any suited hand on the BB for one bet, although i don't do this, i do call any hand with stragith and flush potential for one bet. Also, striking the ten and even sometimes a six can win you a pot some times.

[eL CardinaL]

Well I'm not 100% sure but I think this is EV-. If someone could pull out Pokerstove or anything it would be nice.
Ed Miller encourages calling suited hands out of blinds in raised pots in loose 10 handed games with multiple callers. This is different. The straight potential is pretty weak too with only 2 nut straights ; 698 and 89J.

[7ontheline]

There is only one nut straight possible with T7. QT will crush you on a J98 board.

[Grisgra]

I used to call with T7s in the BB here, and probably still would if it were a raise from the CO. Full 6-handed game, UTG raise, only two others in . . . I'd call if it would be HU or 4-handed, but 3-handed . . . a little less sanguine than I used to be. And I'm Mr. Loosey-Goosey from the blinds.

I think I take the lead on this flop, thinking I'm ahead, hoping Mr. UTG will raise with his overs or whatnot and chase out the button's QJs or whatever nonsense he coldcalled with. I'd really think I was ahead -- except for the fact it was an UTG raise. (Hence the possible problem with the call.) Not that it looks like it would have worked here -- looks like the button was on a heart draw -- but that's my usual line.

Anyway, probably bet out, see what happens, and fold if there's too much aggression, but there would have to be some, I'm not sacrificing TP without it.

And I think checkraising the turn is better than leading out, if you think you're good. Obviously, folding to a turn 3-bet is reasonable.

[Michael Davis]

Yes, I would call this every time, and once I flop top pair I pretty much wouldn't fold unless both of my opponents were playing back.

-Michael

[MAxx]

i fold this preflop. if there were two more oppontents or this hand was more more connected, i would call.

[helpmeout]

I'd probably fold preflop against a tightish UTG raiser 20/10 types but call against /15+.

It is marginal in anycase and not really going to hurt too much, its still decent.

I prefer to checkraise the flop to give him a chance to fold unimproved. Too many overcards can hurt you.

You cant call a turn raise with no read.