why should we include bet + 3 raise to cap rule?

[sgw]

RE: using bet + 3 raise to cap?

I organize a home game, with a collection of 14 guys:

-We play dealers choice (mostly 7 stud / HE / Omaha).
-We do play some High/Low games and Chicago.
-We play with 5-7 guys per night.

We also currently use an ante sytem for all our games (although we may switch to full rounds and forced bets). This is to keep it simple, as most of our members are still learning.

So the question is why should we use the bet plus 3 raises to cap off the round? Is there an advantage/disadvantage to not?

Any feedback would be great.

Thanks,

The Real Macoy

[grandgnu]

I believe that rule is used for the following reasons:

1. If you're playing "limit" games, there's a reason they're "limit" games. If you had unlimited betting and re-raising permitted, you might as well make it a no limit game, because otherwise you could be there all night as people continued to go back and forth

2. Players sitting at the same table might be working together. They get you in between them, one bets, you call, the other raises, the other re-raises. Now they're either pushing you out of the pot (and taking the bet money you just called) or they're getting you to call them and you have one hand vs. two, so their odds are better.

[Spook]

It is especially important in a high/low game. If two people have the nut low on the river, and one of the players is oblivious and keeps raising and the nut high keeps raising the other low is getting quartered and loses money for each dumb raise the other low is making. If it is limitless he losses 25% of his stack instead of just one large bet. (25% of four bets)

[elwoodblues]

The only reason for the rule is to prevent collussion. That's why the limit is lifted when it's heads up.

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1. If you're playing "limit" games, there's a reason they're "limit" games. If you had unlimited betting and re-raising permitted, you might as well make it a no limit game, because otherwise you could be there all night as people continued to go back and forth

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You can when it's heads up.

[elwoodblues]

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If two people have the nut low on the river, and one of the players is oblivious and keeps raising and the nut high keeps raising the other low is getting quartered and loses money for each dumb raise the other low is making. If it is limitless he losses 25% of his stack instead of just one large bet. (25% of four bets)


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It's not there to protect the stupid...just to prevent collussion. People in High/Low games should know that they can easily get quartered when holding the nut low.

[CaptLego]

Hmmm... I thought the reason for a cap was to help put the "limit" in limit games. Removing the cap when it's heads-up is OK, because any player can stop the raising at any time by just calling.

Do any of you put a cap on the number of raises in a no-limit game, to prevent collusion?

[Cleveland Guy]

Yes- at our home game you can only raise the amount of chips you have in front of you.

Hence the term, No Limit.

[sgw]

in our game it has been a benefit thus far not to have it as it helps increase the action and build some nice pots. the flipside is that a couple of the really LP players get knocked out earlier (we have a $30 buy in and 0.75 and 1.50 max raises for early and late betting rounds). later in the night we usually add $3 raises for the last round of betting.

i can write off the collusion issue, as most are still learning to play (and they are all friends). however, if we enacted the 3 raise rule perhaps we should then allow the $3 raises on the last round?

thanks for all of your input and discussion.

cheers,
the Real Macoy

[CaptLego]

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Yes- at our home game you can only raise the amount of chips you have in front of you.

Hence the term, No Limit.

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Uh... thanks. But my question was if anybody limits the NUMBER of raises in a no-limit game (to prevent collusion), not the SIZE of the raises.

[grandgnu]

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Yes- at our home game you can only raise the amount of chips you have in front of you.

Hence the term, No Limit.

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Uh... thanks. But my question was if anybody limits the NUMBER of raises in a no-limit game (to prevent collusion), not the SIZE of the raises.

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Yes, max is three unless heads-up

[ricochet420]

What does "quarted" mean, and when does come into play?

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If two people have the nut low on the river, and one of the players is oblivious and keeps raising and the nut high keeps raising the other low is getting quartered and loses money for each dumb raise the other low is making. If it is limitless he losses 25% of his stack instead of just one large bet. (25% of four bets)


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It's not there to protect the stupid...just to prevent collussion. People in High/Low games should know that they can easily get quartered when holding the nut low.

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[Stew]

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Yes- at our home game you can only raise the amount of chips you have in front of you.

Hence the term, No Limit.

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Uh... thanks. But my question was if anybody limits the NUMBER of raises in a no-limit game (to prevent collusion), not the SIZE of the raises.

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Yes, max is three unless heads-up

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NO, in no limit there is no limit to the raise amount or the number of times a player or players may raise, get a clue.

Now, if you want to write this into the rules of your own game, that's your perrogative, but in reality there is no limit to the number of raises allowed in no limit game.

[Fins]

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What does "quarted" mean, and when does come into play?

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splitting half the pot... half of a half is a quater e.g. two nut lows in a hi/lo game... a good way to loose money winning is to keep raising your nut lo against another nut lo in a hi/lo game.

- Fins