Post-flop odds

[themflags]

What are the proper odds to consider post-flop, when thinking about betting or calling? I know the basic odds for making your hand on the turn or river. But isn't it true that if the turn doesn't make your hand, then the odds have shrunk (while the bets has doubled)? It would seem that you would frequently fold if the turn does not help you. If this is the case, then why would you consider turn+river odds when you may have no intention of paying to see a river card?

It seems that considering turn+river odds would inflate (beyond reasonableness) your justification for paying to see a turn card, unless you were willing to pay to see both cards, and that you knew this before seeing either card.

Thoughts?

[Mark1808]

Your implied odds would therefore be a more important consideration than pot odds. Implied odds, unlike pot odds, requires some guesswork. If you have a one card flush draw you will miss it 75% of the time on the turn and may be required to see another bet or possibly a raise to see the river. This will increase the numerator portion of the implied odds calculation but the denominator will also be increased by the number of callers you estimate on the turn and river. Simply put implied odds is your guess at the potential risk versus reward in the hand, if your chances of hitting are greater than your risk/reward you have a good bet. The better you are at estimating this risk /reward, the better poker player you will become.