Question about Craps

[radek2166]

I have a friend hes weak extra tight. I should jsut say down right cheap.

So he thinks If he goes to Vegas and bets the pass and dont pass on every comeout roll that he can basicly drink for free. He will make no other bets just them 2.

Anyone want tell me a way to tell him he is an idiot?

[Freakin]

Sure. Tell him he should eb playing PaiGow Poker. I've heard its the game thats most +AV.

Or he could just bet red & black on roulette every time, and pay like 2% for drinks....

Freakin

[playersare]

just make sure he brings those dice that don't have the sixes on them.

one out of every 36 come outs he will lose one bet...that's a 2.78% casino edge. At a $10 craps table he will theoretically blow about $10 an hour. drink on that one.

[playersare]

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Or he could just bet red & black on roulette every time, and pay like 2% for drinks....

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no it will be closer to 5% because if the ball lands on green he will lose BOTH the red and black bets.

the pass/don't pass strategy is slightly better as far as the dumbass weirdo casino bets go. box cars loses the line bet but the dark side is a push.

roulette is about the same as craps if there is a single zero of if en prison rules are in effect. doubtful at the lower limits though.

[TripleH68]

If he wants to drink for free have him sit in the race/sports book and grab some losing tickets. Set them in front of him and order two drinks every time the wiatress comes 'round. Works like a charm with no risk.

[Wake up CALL]

Tell him if he just bets Don't Pass he will be better off.

[Homer]

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I have a friend hes weak extra tight. I should jsut say down right cheap.

So he thinks If he goes to Vegas and bets the pass and dont pass on every comeout roll that he can basicly drink for free. He will make no other bets just them 2.

Anyone want tell me a way to tell him he is an idiot?

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I've done this before. Drinking and craps is fun. Why is he an idiot?

[cardcounter0]

Betting at the Don't Pass or Pass Line has an house edge of around 1.414%

So by making both bets he effectively doubles the cost of those drinks. Tell him to choose one or the other, and the cost of his "free" drinks is cut in half.

I estimate about 10 come outs per hour X bet amount X 1.414% = Cost of free drinks.

Either way, he will probably get tired of standing before he gets drunk. And if he stiffs the waitress a tip, those free drinks are going to be slow in coming.

[The Armchair]

A guy I met on the train once in CT told me that he and his buddies spent the entire night -- like 10 hours -- putting $1 on 10-Hardway. He claimed that he came out about even over the time period (and I have no idea how) and drank so much for free that he couldn't remember if he was wearing shoes.

There's a significant advantage to this strategy, even if it is more -EV than, say, a $2 bet on black every spin. Simply put, there's probably 30++ spins an hour. Each time requires an action from a progressively more drunk person. The hardway bet gives you the reason to stand at the table until the 7 comes up, and it takes only one brain cell to toss a chip and say "ten the hard way."

[pzhon]

Just remind him to tip, and let him spend his short time on Earth his way.

[radek2166]

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Why is he an idiot?


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met him and u will understand

[CORed]

He's going to lose his pass bet and push his don't every time a 12 comes up on the comeout. That's one in every 36 comeout rolls. Otherwise, he will break even. If he bets the minimum, he should come out ahead on drinks. I don't think this is a bad way to get cheap (not quite free) drinks. Of course, he could also play one coin in nickel video poker and play really slow. That might be even cheaper.

[CORed]

You are of course correct about the EV, but the risk is lower betting both sides. Of course betting both sides he has no chance of coming out ahead (not counting value of drinks). Betting one side, he might get lucky and come out way ahead, or he might get unlucky and come out way behind. Betting both sides, it's not likely that he's going to lose a lot, although a run of 12's isn't completely impossible.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Anyone want tell me a way to tell him he is an idiot?

If his ultimate goal is to hang out and drink cheaply, he's not a total idiot. The main downside is that in most casinos, the waitress wouldn't come around often enough for me to get enough to drink. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Perhaps he *is* an idiot, but not for this reason.

[Easy E]

He will lose 1 out of every 36 rolls <font color="blue"> that affect his bet </font>.

However, those 36 rolls are not likely to be <font color="green">consecutive rolls</font> (the 12 is more likely to come within a hand rather than at the beginning of one) so he could stand and drink for a long time for little money.

There are two problems for his cheapass strategy

- Waitress service in a casino is not the fastest in the world in my experience. He might only see a waitress once or twice an hour if the casino is crowded. Spending $5 an hour for one drink might not be worth it

- The casino is likely to toss him out if he's not giving them action.

- if someone believes that standing around a casino table with no chance to make money for hours on end, just to get cheap or possibly free drinks, is a good idea, they seriously need to examine their life's value.
(okay, that was three things, but it needed to be said)

[Bigdaddydvo]

I knew a guy who'd bet "Pass" and "Don't Pass" lines and then take the odds after the point was established for the Pass Line. He saw it as a conservative strategy that was "insurance" for the initial pass line wager. I used to think this made sense until I studied the odds and realized that he was giving a little over 1% extra to the house.

[Homer]

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Why is he an idiot?


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met him and u will understand

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Oh, I get it, he's betting BOTH pass and don't pass on every roll. Nevermind.