Am i an idiot? QQ vs river Ace My triumphant return to NL?

[DBowling]

So im giving NL another go, thanks to typical limit frustration. Full ring this time. And only four tables, for now. My plan is to play tight tight tight, like i did back when i made money doing this. But what do you think about this play? On the turn, villian used all but 5 seconds of his time bank before making a decision. i really put him on an overpair to the board. That was my read at the time and i stuck with it. Thoughts? How do you play it differently on all streets, if at all.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($134.15)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Button ($147.4)</font>
SB ($44.2)
BB ($117.45)
UTG ($62)
UTG+1 ($48.5)
MP1 ($74)
MP2 ($29.05)
MP3 ($54.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, Button calls $5, SB (poster) folds, BB folds.

Flop: ($11.50) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9</font>, Button calls $9.

Turn: ($29.50) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25</font>, Button calls $25.

River: ($79.50) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Villian is all-In [$108.4], Hero is all-In [$95.15]

Final Pot: $266.80
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: $266.80, between Hero and Button.</font>

[tbach24]

My guess is that he had an overpair that was under to yours. I like your play on all streets.

[DBowling]

river push doesnt scare you?

[soah]

It scares me. You need a read to to to the felt with QQ like that.

[TheWorstPlayer]

River push scares me, but that's cause I am a weak tight little girl. I am 90% sure you are ahead here as there are no hands with an A in them that he would have called you down with.

[Klak]

i would fold the river since ive been chased down too many times by guys with A7 or some crap.

[DBowling]

/images/graemlins/shocked.gif 90% ahead? easy call then?

[tdomeski]

Why would JJ or TT push on that river?

[DBowling]

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It scares me. You need a read to to to the felt with QQ like that.

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i think if he calls me within a reasonable amount of time on the turn, i would fold, giving him credit for perhaps a set. Just the fact that he took so long indicated weakness, i think, in this instance. "Is my overpair good?" weakness, not "are my overcards good?" weakness, though i suppose both are possible

[TheWorstPlayer]

Because you looked weak when the A hit and he thinks he's behind? Or because he had an OESD that missed?

[tdomeski]

I think you can fold this. .most likely holding is a set. .I don't see him pushing with AQ or AK here. .either a set or a bluff. . .

What I would have done here is lead out for the amount you were willing to check/call and fold to a raise.

[tdomeski]

JJ or TT isn't an OESD. .and if he sensed weakness wouldn't he figure his hand to be good and check behind?

[TheWorstPlayer]

T9 is an OESD. And if he thought his hand was good, he wouldn't push. With, say, JJ he might think that you have AK on the flop, and AK on the turn, but AK bets the river. So now he thinks "Darn, he didn't have AK so he must have KK or QQ. Maybe if I push, I can move him off it."

[DBowling]

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I don't see him pushing with AQ or AK here.

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i agree

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What I would have done here is lead out for the amount you were willing to check/call and fold to a raise.

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How much do you think you would be willing to call in this situation? Is that as a blocking bet or a value bet?

[tdomeski]

This is Party Poker $50 NL, no?

I'm pretty sure it's set or bluff. .just bet what you were willing to check/call and you won't have this problem.

[tdomeski]

$35 should do. . .

And that is a blocking bet, as he likely won't call with many hands that you beat. .yet he will almost NEVER bluff raise you in that situation given the stack sizes.

[DBowling]

ok thanks, i like the idea of a blocking bet rather than my line. i was hoping to induce a bluff, but i didnt really want to call off my entire stack.

[DBowling]

he had JJ
I win.
I think the reason he pushed is exactly the reason TWP described, he felt he was behind (reason for his long pause on the turn), i showed weakness, and he knew the Ace was a scare card for me, so he bet it.

[tdomeski]

You now have a read. .cherish it.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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he had JJ
I win.
I think the reason he pushed is exactly the reason TWP described, he felt he was behind (reason for his long pause on the turn), i showed weakness, and he knew the Ace was a scare card for me, so he bet it.

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If only I could play this well when I'm at the table. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[BigF]

Wow what a gutsy call on the river. I wouldn't be able to make that call.

The funny thing is, your call is probably only profitable against a good player. Judging from his stack size (before you made him cry for mommy), he probably is.

I have a question tho. Had he raised you on the turn, would you still have called the river push?

[DBowling]

no, almost definatly not. and depending on how much he raised, i may have layed it down on the turn.

[jtr]

Wow, well played.

For me, I wouldn't be able to get away from the idea that a set of 7s (for instance) could have played it exactly the same, including a fake "gee I have to think about this" pause on the turn. So I'd fold to the river push, like the weak tightie I am. Doomed to eternally inhabit the kiddie pool.

But jesus, great read and well played.

[DBowling]

Thanks a lot. The reason i posted this was its the kinda hand where if i win i feel like a genious but if i lose i feel like an idiot. I guess its about 50/50 with everyone i asked about the hand, here and otherwise. Some said "HOW COULD YOU CALL THAT?!?!" and others said "nh"

[Snag]

This screams of an overly slow played set to me. I think he's just waiting and waiting for you to bet into him more and more. However, I would think the A would have scared him, if he may have put you on AA.

Another possibility is that this guy is schooling you with a hand like KK or AA. That is however highly unlikely, espeically in the case of KK.

I don't like your call to his push here.

I think you play the river and the turn very well, I may have raised harder on the turn, but I may not have.

I however, do not like the push