Should you be a net winner or net loser from the Big and Small blinds?

[Shoe]

Hi all, hopefully this is the right forum.

According to poker tracker, over about 10k hands, I am a net winner around 1.5 BB/100 (a little lower than I think I am capable of, but I am still somewhat new and trying to improve my game, and I know that isn't a big enough sample size for long-term results, but I think I have enough hands for this question).

I have noticed that I have lost a lot of money while being in the blinds, but have won money at every other position. After being in the BB and SB about 1,400 times each, I am down $2300 when I'm in the Big Blind (.19 BB per hand), and down $975 (.08 BB per hand) when in the small blind. I'm up $1,000 when playing from the button, and about $300 - $800 at the other positions. (I usually play $2/4 or $3/$6, there is some $5/$10 mixed in there too).

Basically what I'm interested in, is are your results similar? Are most winning players a net loser from the Big and Small Blinds, or should I expect to win from those positions too?

I'm usually passive in the blinds, but will occasionally try to defend them (and usually get screwed when i try). I almost always fold the blinds to a raise unless I have a good hand. How do I know if I should defend the blinds moreor less, or if I have loosened my starting hand requirements too much/not enough from the blinds? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Any suggestions are appreciated. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Hojglad]

In the big and small blind, you are forced to put money into the pot without seeing your cards. If you figure out how to win from these positions, please let me know. I'm sure every pro and non-pro alike would be salivating at the thought of being able to do this.

[wop squad]

This is a good question. I assume that there is no way to be a proven winner in the long term from the blinds, the math just doesn't work out, but what can you do to play better from the blinds?

[Shoe]

Ok thanks... good point and that makes me feel better, and looking at my stats again I have lost less than what it would cost to just post and lose my blinds each time.

Does anyone know what an acceptable loss rate is for playing from the blinds, such as BB/100?

[Adde]

asically what I'm interested in, is are your results similar? Are most winning players a net loser from the Big and Small Blinds, or should I expect to win from those positions too?

Expecting to win from those two positions is as expecting to win if you play every hand. You will lose in the blinds, and should rather concentrate on holding the loss down.

Adde

[uuDevil]

FWIW, from the PokerRoom EV Stats (http://www.pokerroom.com/games/evstats/positionStats.php?players=10), and assuming I calculated it correctly, an average (losing) player loses about .22 big bets in the BB and about .16 big bets in the small blind.

It's certainly true that everybody loses in the blinds, but I'd like to see some stats from winning players some time. A poll in SS or Micro might be a good idea.

[swolfe]

46,728 hands total, $3,660.20 total winnings mostly from party $25PL/NL and $100PL/NL

BB - 5,672 hands, VPIP 14.17
amount required $5,910.20
total loss -$2,117, -.17 PTBB/hand
without blind $3,792.96

SB - 5,257 hands, VPIP 42
amount required $2,678.70
total loss -$800.05, -0.09 PTBB/hand
without blind $1,878.65

[stir]

based on a sreen shot of PT data of posted by StellarWind a few months back for 101,827 hands of $3/6:

BB = -.17 BB/100
sb = -.08 BB/100

Intersting that this correlates to swolfe's date even though his data is PL/NL, however may be coincidental.

[Graham]

I'm - 0.11 BB from the BB and -0.10 BB from the SB. That's almost exclusively from playing 50+5 and 55+5 NLHE SNG's.

[stir]

Do you play A,5o thru A,9o from the sb, if there is no raise in front of you?

[Womble]

NEVER! Not alot anyway. The low Axo (<T) are overated by some people. I think they get you into trouble alot more than they help you.

I will play it if there is a lone late limper and will raise to try and get rid of the BB but I generally avoid it

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Key point is the BB results without the blind. These should still be profitable /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[RollaJ]

You are forced to put in money with crap hands, and play them out of position. It would be nice to win, but it would be a statistical anomoly to do so in the long run