Bad luck or bad play?

[egj]

On the flop, I felt anyone with a 9 would have (certainly, should have) bet it more strongly. So I thought I was likely ahead. (A pocket pair higher than 9 likely raises pre-flop.)

Pre-flop, was I loose to call? With the button and only one limper, I thought it was OK. Is a raise better?

Eric

***** Hand History for Game 1483126909 *****
50/100 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 8946250) - Sun Jan 23 23:52:46 EST 2005
Table Table 11103 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: XxTheDukexX (460)
Seat 2: JC1009 (860)
Seat 3: SHIP_IT_7 (1225)
Seat 4: jbk1286 (700)
Seat 5: oh_shiznit (800)
Seat 6: ntmoney (1915)
Seat 7: egjackson (520)
Seat 8: knowhen2go (1075)
Seat 9: benbbabe (445)
knowhen2go posts small blind (25)
benbbabe posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to egjackson [ 8s, Ac ]
XxTheDukexX folds.
JC1009 folds.
SHIP_IT_7 folds.
jbk1286 calls (50)
oh_shiznit folds.
ntmoney folds.
egjackson calls (50)
knowhen2go calls (25)
benbbabe checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8h, 4h, 9c ]
knowhen2go bets (50)
benbbabe calls (50)
jbk1286 calls (50)
egjackson raises (470) to 470
egjackson is all-In.
knowhen2go calls (420)
benbbabe folds.
jbk1286 calls (420)
Creating Main Pot with $1660 with egjackson
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]
knowhen2go bets (200)
jbk1286 calls (180)
jbk1286 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ Td ]
Creating Side Pot 1 with $360 with jbk1286
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1660 | Side Pot 1: 360 | Side Pot 2: 20
Board: [ 8h 4h 9c 6d Td ]
XxTheDukexX balance 460, didn't bet (folded)
JC1009 balance 860, didn't bet (folded)
SHIP_IT_7 balance 1225, didn't bet (folded)
jbk1286 balance 0, lost 700 [ Ah 5h ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Td,9c,8h,6d ]
oh_shiznit balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
ntmoney balance 1915, didn't bet (folded)
egjackson balance 0, lost 520 [ 8s Ac ] [ a pair of eights -- Ac,Td,9c,8s,8h ]
knowhen2go balance 2395, bet 720, collected 2040, net +1320 [ 9d Kc ] [ a pair of nines -- Kc,Td,9d,9c,8h ]
benbbabe balance 345, lost 100 (folded)

[gorgeous]

Fold preflop. If you had been in the BB, fold postflop.

[MrMon]

On the button with Ax, not a terrible call, but a little loose for my tastes when you're <10BB. Raise or fold should have been your rule. No signs of strength, so you might have tried the all-in pre-flop and taken it down.

Post flop, majorly bad play to go all-in with second pair when 3 min call before you. One was bound to have the 9.

[egj]

> Post flop, majorly bad play to go all-in with second pair
> when 3 min call before you. One was bound to have the 9.

I don't know - isn't it your experience that people will call min bets with anything? (Well, with overcards at least.)

It seems irrational to make a min bet (or only call a min bet) with a 9. With a 9, you probably have the best hand, but you're very vulnerable to an overcard coming on the turn, so you need to bet it out strong and drive out the people on draws.

Maybe I shouldn't assume my opponents will play rationally... ;-)

Eric

[Stickmn24]

[ QUOTE ]
Maybe I shouldn't assume my opponents will play rationally... ;-)

[/ QUOTE ]

You shouldn't if you're playing $5+.50 or $10+1, that's for sure (as I have learned the hard way) /images/graemlins/frown.gif.

[bigredlemon]

Lots of people play middle pairs for set value (88-JJ). Lots of people also play suited connectors (89)

[MrMon]

Admittedly, it's a little strange to play a pair of nine's weakly after the flop, but like someone else said, at low levels you can't assume your opponents know what they're doing.

Either that, or it was a brilliant trap... /images/graemlins/laugh.gif