River choice

[Tosh]

Villain is unknown before today, but I have generally observed him as a being pretty loose and potentially aggressive. The read is not firm, but he is above standard 3/6 aggression level I am sure.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (8.16 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls.

River: (10.16 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>.

[Evan]

How do we feel about raising and folding to a 3 bet?

[stoxtrader]

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How do we feel about raising and folding to a 3 bet?

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this is a pretty good effing line.

[Evan]

No Nick, tell me how you really feel. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[bisonbison]

I would raise and call a 3-bet.

[Tosh]

I feel that is one of the choices. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Aces McGee]

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How do we feel about raising and folding to a 3 bet?

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Against an unknown, but seemingly aggressive opponent?

We don't feel good about it.

I'd raise and call a 3-bet.

-McGee

[spydog]

If he's aggressive, why not call the flop and raise the turn?

Since you played it like you did, I raise the river and call a 3-bet.

[bisonbison]

If he's aggressive, why not call the flop and raise the turn?

Cause that screams "big hand".

[gaming_mouse]

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How do we feel about raising and folding to a 3 bet?

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I don't get this. If he's bluffing, he'll just fold. Or, if he's bluffing with really big balls (unlikely, but possible), he'll 3-bet and push you off.

This seems like one of those lines that sounds cool and tough, but doesn't actually make much sense. I need more convincing before I rate this line higher than calling.

EDIT: Forget it. I see. He probably has a made PP which is lower than yours, maybe JJ or some such. Yes. I like a raise. What about possibly calling the 3-bet?

[spydog]

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If he's aggressive, why not call the flop and raise the turn?

Cause that screams "big hand".

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Yes, it does, but so what? He's not folding 77+ or 2 overcards on this board, especially if he's loose.

[cold_cash]

Whatever action I choose on the river, it's not going to include folding.

Even though he's aggressive and might be raising with lots of hands pre-flop, I'm guessing his most likely holding is a pair bigger than sixes that he thinks is good.

If it happens to be 77 or AA, that sucks, but I think much more often it will be 88-QQ and you'll win an extra couple bets by raising the river and calling a 3-bet.

[J.R.]

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Yes, it does, but so what? He's not folding 77+ or 2 overcards on this board, especially if he's loose.

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perhaps, but he may fold other hands and 1) you miss out on the chance to have him 3-bet the flop and 2) its less likely he gets outta line on the big bet streets if you pop the turn.

[mtdoak]

I just call here. If your behind your just bleeding the 2 extra bets in an 11 BB pot.