A Hand Reading Quiz

[El Maximo]

What range of hands would you put villian on?

$10+1 NL SNG
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t790)
CO (t615)
Hero (t775)
SB (t890)
BB (t745)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t1190)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t640)
MP2 (t755)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t125</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls t110, CO calls t110.

Flop: (t415) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t630 (All-In)</font>, CO folds, Hero ??

[lutefisk]

My guess would be JJ through AA. Maybe TT. If I had to pick one, I'd say KK. I'd say it's very unlikely that you're beat, but, especially this early in the tournament, anything's possible.

[hansarnic]

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What range of hands would you put villian on?


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Given that this is $10+1, and that you put a big raise in from the button, he will probably put you on something like AK / AQ. Therefore the range is pretty huge - draw, small / mid pair (lower than 9s), set. Overpair is possible, but JJ &amp; up is mostly raised PF here I think, so maybe TT. TPTK is also possible as you do sometimes see people call a big raise PF in Level 1 with something like A9s in the 30s and 50s, so I’ll assume it happens at the 10s too. Anyway, I’d call.

[El Maximo]

I realize that the range is large but the way he played it should narrow that range some. He limped and called a big raise preflop. He check the flop and when I bet half the pot he raised me all-in. He could play a set this way. Most wait til the turn or river to raise but Ive seen players check raise sets on the flop. He could have top pair or overpairs and thinks my 1/2 pot bet was a bluff.

[shoeman]

Since MP2 didn't raise pre-flop, I'd say KK to JJ are unlikely. TT is a possibility. 2 pair is out as he would not have called the raise. If I had to guess I'd say that MP2 is either betting a flush draw or has made his set. The check raise worries me so I may give the his set some thought...although it is hard to tell in a $10 SNG.

[iMsoLucky0]

I think there is a decent chance that he has 66-88 here (or maybe even 22 or 44). All of those other hands mentioned are possibilities, but a person with 88 could play their hand in exactly this manner. It may not be what he had or is likely to have, but it is definitely a possibility.

[jg22]

As luck would have it, I think I am the villian in this hand, since I remember being taken out of a $10 SNG in a similiar manner yesterday. I was partially tilting with my check-raise since I had been just knocked out of another SNG (I was 2-tabling).

It was one of those situations where I would only have been called if I was beat. I was hoping you had AK / AQ or one of the other random crappy hands people raise with PF and missed badly on the flop, as you know the average $10+1 player will raise with a lot of crap. So I put you on 2 overs and a missed flop where you were just bluffing at the pot. I hope you used my stack to go on and win that one /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Just out of curiousity, how would you have played that hand if you were in my shoes there? Your bet left me little room to raise, I suppose I could have done a minimum raise and then have been able to fold if you had gone over the top.

[El Maximo]

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Just out of curiousity, how would you have played that hand if you were in my shoes there? Your bet left me little room to raise, I suppose I could have done a minimum raise and then have been able to fold if you had gone over the top.

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Well it wasnt you I was against. The outcome was much different. I cant tell you how I would play your hand until you tell me what you were holding.

[genya]

my guess is A /images/graemlins/club.gif9 /images/graemlins/club.gif

[El Maximo]

Thanks for the input everyone. The Villians betting had me confused. His limp and call preflop followed by a check-raise postflop was odd to me. Just trying to get better at putting these guys on hands. No way I fold this at the 10s. If its a set than so be it. Villian showed down Kc9c.

[jg22]

My Party Poker name is different from this user name, so it could have been me.

I had been knocked out in a very similiar situation yesterday to the one you describe when I had pocket 8's and the flop came 9-high with no 8 and I check-raised all-in and got called by aces to take me out. Sorry, I thought that was the hand that knocked me out of my last SnG yesterday because it looked so similar.

I guess you got taken out of that one by a set?

[rachelwxm]

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What range of hands would you put villian on?

$10+1 NL SNG
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t790)
CO (t615)
Hero (t775)
SB (t890)
BB (t745)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t1190)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t640)
MP2 (t755)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t125</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls t110, CO calls t110.

Flop: (t415) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t630 (All-In)</font>, CO folds, Hero ??

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at this limit, I coud't click call quicker and prepared to see a pair of 9.

The only hand you are behind is 99. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[bigredlemon]

99, 22, 44, or 2 high clubs

[microbet]

AcXc, trips and PP&gt;9 are all pretty good possibilities.

With no read at the $11's I think you are ahead about 1/2 the time, so given how many chips you have left and how many are in the pot I think you should call.

After seeing the results:
I guess the check was because villian wanted a free card, but after your bet decided to make a move. The check-raise does make his hand appear more like trips but it has become a lot harder for you to fold with 200 more of your chips in there. If he pushed the flop initially would you have called? It would have looked a lot more like a flush draw, but would have been a lot easier to let go of this early.

[Delphin]

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Thanks for the input everyone. The Villians betting had me confused. His limp and call preflop followed by a check-raise postflop was odd to me. Just trying to get better at putting these guys on hands. No way I fold this at the 10s. If its a set than so be it. Villian showed down Kc9c.

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His preflop play was definitely wrong. Should have folded K9s to a raise of that size, but calling all in on the flop was +chip EV.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=729228
pokenum -h kc 9c - as ad -- 9s 2c 4c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 9s 4c 2c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kc 9c 493 49.80 497 50.20 0 0.00 0.498
As Ad 497 50.20 493 49.80 0 0.00 0.502

[assron]

if it was me, you'd expect to see AcKc, AcQc, Tc9c, 9c8c, 6c5c, or 88-QQ... but in a $11 game the range is way way bigger.

[HoldingFolding]

Exactly. This is a classic set scenario. I'd call and expect to see 99 (or possibly 22 or 44). The possiblity that he was on some sort of flush draw would force me to call though.

[mosch]

A set? That's white the doomsday scenario.

I expect to see a pair and an opponent who put me on AK/AQ far more often than I expect to see a set or even a flush draw. In a cheap tournament this will routinely be some random suited semi-connected crap that hit a pair, or just a pocket pair... any pocket pair.

The actual result of pair plus flush draw was a much better hand than I expected.

[dcoles11]

A $10 sng on party poker? hell he could have anything, LOL. Trips, any over pair, AK, AQ, flush draw without a doubt.