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The Stranger
01-22-2005, 09:25 PM
online 3/6 full.
I open-raise on the button with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif7/images/graemlins/club.gif. BB calls.
Flop is 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif6/images/graemlins/spade.gifT/images/graemlins/club.gif
BB bets. I raise, BB 3-bets. I cap. BB calls.
Turn is Q/images/graemlins/club.gif
BB checks. I bet. BB calls.
River is 3/images/graemlins/club.gif
BB checks. I bet. BB calls.
too aggro on the flop?
Later that day...
10/20 full.
I raise UTG with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gifK/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.folds to SB who 3-bets. I call.
Flop is K/images/graemlins/spade.gifT/images/graemlins/heart.gif8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
SB bets. I call.
Turn is K/images/graemlins/heart.gif
SB bets, I raise, SB 3-bets, I call.
River is K/images/graemlins/club.gif
SB checks, I bet, SB calls.
Should I cap PF or the turn? I'm pretty sure I played the flop well.
Now for a less aggro one:
I open raise in MP1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gifQ/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Folds to SB who 3-bets. BB folds, I call.
Flop is A/images/graemlins/spade.gifA/images/graemlins/club.gif6/images/graemlins/heart.gif
SB bets, I call.
Turn is 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif
SB bets, I call.
River is 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
SB checks, I bet. SB calls.
I don't know any other way to get more money out of him if he's aceless in this one. A 3-bet PF would be a bit much, no?
I happened not to posts hands that I lost because I didn't really think many of them were interesting or difficult.
Some days you eat the bear, and well, some days the bear eats you.
Luv2DriveTT
01-22-2005, 10:02 PM
Hand 1) Well played sir!
Hand 2) I'd cap pre-flop, I like the fact that you are heads up here. But there is a valid argument to not capping pre-flop as well. Since you did not, I liked your flop play. Hit him where it hurts on the turn. But thats where you and I disagree, I'd cap the turn. He will call.
Hand 3)Raise the turn. You cannot guarentee that you will get a bet on the river, get the $$$ now while you can.
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The Stranger
01-22-2005, 10:31 PM
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Hand 3)Raise the turn. You cannot guarentee that you will get a bet on the river, get the $$$ now while you can.
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I must admit, I sort of felt like Tommy Angelo on this one. I thought if he didn't have an ace he'd probably fold to a turn raise. This game was pretty aggro, but overall it seemed like the players weren't as retarded as usual.
If I'm right that he folds to a turn raise, I made one extra BB, but if he calls down, I missed out on one, and if he folds to a turn raise, he probably check/folds the river too. What if, what if, what if. Hard to say.
If my aunt had a package, she'd be my uncle.
Thanks for the response.
jonahmavesin
01-22-2005, 10:35 PM
Hand 1 - Wow. Speechless. I just don't see how you cap it there. You have what, 9.5 outs with the draws? Heads up to get to the river I don't see how that math works out even for a raise, let alone a cap. You sir are much more TAGro than I!!
Hand 2 - And then you don't raise this flop?? I think with your UTG PF raise, you'd be almost expected to raise here. I would not be very fooled by a smooth call on the flop here, if I was the Villain. He might even 3-bet, to your delight.
Hand 3 - I agree with this slowplay. But here, no one's drawing out on you except for a backdoor.
Mike Gallo
01-22-2005, 10:37 PM
Post one hand at a time.
On hand one, I take the free card on the turn.
Brunger
01-22-2005, 10:39 PM
In hand one I would have taken the free card on the turn because he has already told you he is not folding.
Hand two sometimes I cap sometimes I don't (pre-flop). With position I usually would unless super tight player 3-bet. I also would have capped the turn as you are only behind TT and 88.
Hand 3 was perfect IMO.
The Stranger
01-22-2005, 10:44 PM
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On hand one, I take the free card on the turn.
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That was the idea with the flop cap, but when a club popped on the turn, I figured I'd keep firing.
The Stranger
01-22-2005, 10:46 PM
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Hand 1 - Wow. Speechless. I just don't see how you cap it there. You have what, 9.5 outs with the draws? Heads up to get to the river I don't see how that math works out even for a raise, let alone a cap. You sir are much more TAGro than I!!
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That's assuming it gets to showdown.
jonahmavesin
01-22-2005, 10:48 PM
Well, you're still 2:1 to hit one of your plentiful outs, so it's still a semi-bluff. And I think he's made it clear, as another poster mentioned, that he's not folding, so I don't think the fold adds to your expectation, in which case he's making money off your bet there, since your bet is getting just 1:1. So, take the free card.
The Stranger
01-22-2005, 11:07 PM
for amusement purposes only I suppose
1--Villain held T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
2--Villain held TT for the flopped set, turned boat.
3--I don't know what he had. KK, QQ, JJ or TT I reckon.
For 2 and 3 the HH's weren't working. On 2 the guy told me he had TT, complaining about the "horrible beat." IMO he deserves it for 3-betting an UTG TAG w/TT.
The Stranger
01-22-2005, 11:17 PM
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Hand 2 - And then you don't raise this flop?? I think with your UTG PF raise, you'd be almost expected to raise here. I would not be very fooled by a smooth call on the flop here, if I was the Villain. He might even 3-bet, to your delight.
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meh. I just don't like raising the flop in short-handed pots.
Gatts
01-23-2005, 12:05 AM
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for amusement purposes only I suppose
1--Villain held T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
2--Villain held TT for the flopped set, turned boat.
3--I don't know what he had. KK, QQ, JJ or TT I reckon.
For 2 and 3 the HH's weren't working. On 2 the guy told me he had TT, complaining about the "horrible beat." IMO he deserves it for 3-betting an UTG TAG w/TT.
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My UTG raising standards vs. TT:
{AA-99, AKs-ATs, KQs-KJs, AKo-AJo, KQo} 51.25%
{TT} 48.785%
A 3-bet is usually the correct play.
The Stranger
01-23-2005, 01:36 AM
I'm a tad tighter w/UTG raises, but villain and I hadn't played many hands together, so he didn't know that.
Assume tighish game w/3-4 players to the flop.
Me raise:QQ-AA, JJ (50/50), AKs, AK, AQs, AJs (50/50).
Me limp:77-TT, AQ, KQs, AJ, KQ, KJs. Other suited connectors 98 and up occasionally.
MattC
01-23-2005, 03:21 AM
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I'm a tad tighter w/UTG raises, but villain and I hadn't played many hands together, so he didn't know that.
Assume tighish game w/3-4 players to the flop.
Me raise:QQ-AA, JJ (50/50), AKs, AK, AQs, AJs (50/50).
Me limp:77-TT, AQ, KQs, AJ, KQ, KJs. Other suited connectors 98 and up occasionally.
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hmm im even tighter then you:
Me raise:QQ-AA, JJ (50/50), AKs (80/20), AK, AQs (50/50), AJs (50/50). aks 80/20 and aqs and ajs 50/50 mostly because i like to see a lot of hands in with me hoping i hit a flush. Other suited connec to throw people off sometimes too.
Me limp: 88-TT, AQ, KQs. Other suited connec to throw people off sometimes too.
Gatts
01-23-2005, 02:35 PM
You nust raise Jacks, Tens, AQo, KQs, and AJs here every goddamn time. Limping 98s UTG in a tight game is an error.
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