knew it was bad but I did it anyway

[sthief09]

I told myself that if no one had a K, I'd never do it again. SB is a TAG and BB is a LAG

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. CO posts a blind of $15.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

[Alexthegreat]

SB bets the river, BB raises......What now??

[sthief09]

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SB bets the river, BB raises......What now??

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that's exactly what happened and I folded

[Alexthegreat]

Yeah, I'd fold too...I would bet the turn and fold to a raise, unless it was heads up, in which case I guess I'd call down, but I don't know if that's especially wise....If either of them calls I would check behind on the river.....

Did you fold the best hand?

[BottlesOf]

I think I might do this in the 6max game, where I'd feel more showdown committed and more bluffs would come at me on the river. What do you think of that?

[sthief09]

the TAG had AJ and backdoored a flush. the LAG who raised the river had a K

what would've happened on the turn was the TAG would've called and the LAG would've check-raised. there's a lot of money in the pot to be throwing away TPTK to a LAG

[Alexthegreat]

I think if you can fold to a bet/call/check-raise situation, then you should bet the turn......it doesn't sound like you'd be stoked on folding, and neither would i, so I guess checking behind on the turn is okay....but then again, don't you think you have the best hand often enough to warrant betting??

[gaming_mouse]

Josh,

Which part would you never do again? Your line seems fine to me. It is a close call between laying down the river and calling, but I like the lay down. Am I off here? What part of your decision were you unhappy with?

[private joker]

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What part of your decision were you unhappy with?

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I think he meant checking the turn. If he's ahead he's giving a potentially dangerous free card, not to mention missing a trivially obvious value bet.

[Brunger]

I am always wary when i get multiple callers on a board like AKK. What can they have. The tag certainly didn't call with some gutshot and may have bet an ace. Lags just calling sends off more signals than a raise. Bet-fold and checking are both viable options. If I can confidently fold to a raise betting is better. If I feel I can't checking becomes better. nice hand.

[gaming_mouse]

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I think he meant checking the turn. If he's ahead he's giving a potentially dangerous free card, not to mention missing a trivially obvious value bet.

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Okay. But.... the double calls really stink of a slowplay by someone.

Also, how do you play it if you bet the turn, get a fold, then a raise. I think bet, call, raise is an easier fold for you. Since these guys are aggressive, is a call down in order if the raise is HU?

I guess the reason I don't think his line is so bad is that your hand clearly has showdown value, and since you are up against players who are likely to raise bluff in a situation where there's a decent chance you are beat anyway (because of the double call), missing a bet isn't so bad. Is this weak-tight?

[sthief09]

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If he's ahead he's giving a potentially dangerous free card, not to mention missing a trivially obvious value bet.

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the pot was big, so giving a free card is definitely no good, but this wasn't such a scary board. if there was a 3-flush I'd have bet. the value bet part is worse I think. neither gave me an indication that I was behind.

[sthief09]

if the BB wasn't a LAG I wouldn't have even hesitated. but the LAG is very capable of check raising a protected pot as a bluff or with something like AJ

[gaming_mouse]

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neither gave me an indication that I was behind.

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I'm not sure. I think that both LAGs and TAGs usually raise an A here, no? Thus the double call is actually a pretty good indication that you're behind.

What else are they calling with? Straight draws are the only other possibility. But I think a single K is far more likely than 2 straight draws.

[sthief09]

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[Michael Davis]

There isn't another good way to play this hand. You say giving a free card isn't good, but what are you putting them on? Only QT and QJ are reasonably getting anything from a free card. Frankly, when you get two calls on this flop, you're the one that needs a free card so you should take it.

-Michael

[Alexthegreat]

I think you guys are being results oriented here.....No one is giving him any indication he is behind...come on now.....Hero bets the flop and gets called in two spots, by a TAG and a LAG......since when does that mean he is automatically behind?? If hero bets, is called and then check-raised, then he can figure he's in trouble and fold....I think checking behind on the turn is giving up a little too easily....