Go ahead and tell me Party isn't rigged OR compromised.....

[Hal 2000]

Keep in mind... these are BACK TO BACK hands.....

AND.... in 2 hours of this tournament I hadn't received a Top 5-6 Sklansky hand ONCE.....

#Game No : 1467980484
***** Hand History for Game 1467980484 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:8857514 Level:9 Blinds (200/400) - Friday, January 21, 04:10:35 EDT 2005
Table 3 - Table(219105) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: jimdc22 ( $1060 )
Seat 4: uncle_les ( $3980 )
Seat 6: gaddvass ( $3490 )
Seat 5: NickTilt ( $3785 )
Seat 7: TragicllyHip ( $6210 )
Seat 9: KingDodongo ( $6915 )
Seat 10: Wikdog ( $4560 )
Trny:8857514 Level:9
Blinds (200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to uncle_les [ Kc Ah ]
TragicllyHip folds.
KingDodongo folds.
Wikdog folds.
jimdc22 folds.
uncle_les raises [1600].
NickTilt folds.
gaddvass calls [1200].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Ad, 2s ]
gaddvass is all-In [1890]
uncle_les calls [1890].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
gaddvass shows [ Qd, Ac ] two pairs, aces and queens.
uncle_les shows [ Kc, Ah ] a pair of aces.
gaddvass wins 7180 chips from the main pot with two pairs, aces and queens.
Game #1467982084 starts.

#Game No : 1467982084
***** Hand History for Game 1467982084 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:8857514 Level:9 Blinds (200/400) - Friday, January 21, 04:11:19 EDT 2005
Table 3 - Table(219105) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: jimdc22 ( $1060 )
Seat 4: uncle_les ( $490 )
Seat 6: gaddvass ( $7180 )
Seat 5: NickTilt ( $3585 )
Seat 7: TragicllyHip ( $6210 )
Seat 9: KingDodongo ( $6915 )
Seat 10: Wikdog ( $4560 )
Trny:8857514 Level:9
Blinds (200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to uncle_les [ Ad As ]
gaddvass: ouch
uncle_les: typical pp bs
KingDodongo folds.
Wikdog folds.
jimdc22 folds.
uncle_les is all-In [490]
NickTilt folds.
gaddvass calls [290].
TragicllyHip calls [90].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 2d, 7s ]
gaddvass checks.
TragicllyHip checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
uncle_les: watch this
gaddvass checks.
TragicllyHip bets [1400].
gaddvass folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
TragicllyHip shows [ Th, 6c ] a straight, six to ten.
uncle_les shows [ Ad, As ] a pair of aces.
Player uncle_les finished in 7 place
TragicllyHip wins 1400 chips from side pot #1 with a straight, six to ten.
TragicllyHip wins 1470 chips from the main pot with a straight, six to ten.
no shiiiiiiiiiiiiit
y see'
uncle_les has left the table.

[TheMetetron]

AA and AK aren't top 5-6 hands... interesting. Oh and since you requested it:

Party isn't rigged or compromised.

[Hal 2000]

U missed what i was saying... i HADN't received one of the top 5 UNTIL i got it twice in a row, and got them cracked both times......

[Acesover8s]

Come on these beats aren't even that bad, a 3 outer and a 4 outer.

Sod off, already, I lost to a 989-1 shot at a live casino 2 months ago, and you don't hear me bitching (although my girlfriend did) /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[MicroBob]

Sample size too small to draw accurate conclusion.

[TwoShedsJackson]

If you think either of these 'bad beats' is particularly bad, good luck to you. I was dumped out of a live tournament last night after 3 1/2 hours play with a pair of Kings by a guy who played 72 sooooted and then called an all-in chasing a 3 for a gutshot straight, which he duly got on the river.

Now, you don't care about that, which illustrated my point: no-one cares that you got what you consider to be two bad beats back to back in online poker. It's happened before, it'll happen again, and it'll happen worse.

oh yeah, Party is not rigged or compromised either.

[barongreenback]

You need to complain at the table about your bad beats more. Party will take notice and deal you some winners.

A good half hour rant with lots of swearing will give you enough to move up limits.

[skoal2k4]

LoL /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Hal 2000]

AQ beating my AK.... Ok, I can handle that.... but.. by sheer luck, without the benefit of a 'sample size', I just happen to get AA the very next hand, when I hadn't got a premium hand the entire tournament, and a 6,10 just happens to call and bust it.............

[evain]

Hilarious.

But that's nothing. I recently saw myself with quad aces on one table and quad kings on another. Heads up with one guy who was all in for $3 for a .5BB win there. And bet out the flop with quad kings and two opponents folded. Woo hoo! Up 1.5BB with KKKK and AAAA in 30 seconds. Cry with me my friend.

evain

[busguy]

[ QUOTE ]
AQ beating my AK.... Ok, I can handle that.... but.. by sheer luck, without the benefit of a 'sample size', I just happen to get AA the very next hand, when I hadn't got a premium hand the entire tournament, and a 6,10 just happens to call and bust it.............

[/ QUOTE ]


If you really truely believe that there actually is something to what you are saying, then you should do two things immediately.

1) Stop playing poker (both on-line and B&M)

2) Stop posting here.

/images/graemlins/frown.gif busguy

[jdl22]

Party isn't rigged (n)OR compromised

[lfx]

and could you please tell us how this makes Party poker rigged? just because you get three and badbeaten? and besides, where he made the straigt, he was correct to call you, so that wasn´t even bad play by his part..

[barongreenback]

[ QUOTE ]
Sample size too small to draw accurate conclusion.

[/ QUOTE ]
I've calculated the SD of the freakiness of these bad beats and used it to get the number of man hours spent by Party rigging the tables.
The 95% confidence interval gives a range of -3470 to 4782 per day.

Hope that clears things up.

[PoBoy321]

Just to make you feel better...

Yes, Party is rigged. It's a big conspiracy out to take your money and give it to other people. Party Poker hates you. You should retire your current account, make a new one, and hope it gets on Party's "Winner" list.

[Freudian]

I was playing two ring tables earlier. Got AA at both at the same time and won big pots at both.

Wee, party is rigged!

[ToneLoc]

Wrong forum smartmoves, try the retard/bad beat/rigged website one... ooopps sorry just in my dreams...

[Mike Haven]

1. if any site rigs cards in a tournament, after they have received their juice, then they are certifiably insane

2. the bb was getting 15 to 1 for his 90 chips call - wouldn't you have called? even if he had known you had AA he would only have needed to be getting about 10 to 1 to make it a no brainer call

[asdfghjkl]

Post deleted by Mat Sklansky

[barongreenback]

My last 12 hands dealt were all AK.
Ok, they were actually A5,73,96,75,KT,A9,53,J9,J6,T2,K4,84 but the chances of that particular sequence coming up are the same as the AK one. Yet for some reason we apply great meaning to one and none to the other. People and probability were not meant to be together.

[sumdumguy]

[ QUOTE ]
2. the bb was getting 15 to 1 for his 90 chips call - wouldn't you have called? even if he had known you had AA he would only have needed to be getting about 10 to 1 to make it a no brainer call

[/ QUOTE ]
How did the BB know he was getting correct odds?
Compromised.. certifiably compromised!

[DeeJ]

AQ beats AK around 1 in 4.
T6 beats AA around 1 in 6.

Chances of this happening therefore : 1 in 24.

Party isn't rigged or compromised. Far more unlikely things (like one-outers hitting on the river, or even runner runner quads) happen too, y'know. You only remember them when they do, and forget all the times that things go according to plan.

[steamboatin]

Party is rigged, it saw you hadn't been getting any good cards so it stacked the deck in your favor. It is not Party's fault that a idoit called and got lucky.

[Jstyal]

Last B&M tournament I was in, which lasted about 8 hours, I saw within the first 2 hours at my table (10-handed):

-A guy get AA twice (not in a row, though)
-Guy next to the guy who had AA twice get AA once (that's AA three times already in a two hour span)
-I got K6o a total of 4 times (not in a row)
-Two AK allins got taken out by 36o

Later in the tournament:
-A guy with 22 went all-in and hit quads
-My 99 got taken out by the dude above with 33 because he hit quads, AGAIN

Shyt like this happens in poker, even in B&M. I personally hate human shuffling because I do not consder it yields as random a shuffling as say automatic shuffling or online shuffling, but, hey, most B&M tournaments, if not all, have human dealers doign the shuffling. So quit yer whinning! Poker variance in B&M and online is the same.

[Rah]

Don't blaim Party for your lack of knowledge regarding statistics and variance.

If AA and AK won every time, I would call party rigged. If someone wins with 72, I say great. That'll keep him playing those hands.

[cardcounter0]

The post above is just more proof that B&M Poker is rigged or compromised.

You don't see Price Waterhouse accountants coming in and certifing that a B&M shuffle is random, now do you?

[jokerthief]

Everyone here is missing the entire point and is totally wrong. Party is rigged but not compromised. Compromised but not rigged. Fair but not equal. Moral but not just. Outrageous but subtle. Caring but callous. Ethical but incompetent. Prudent but ridiculous. Elegant but crude. Inert but quick. Derelict but popular. Pithy but obtuse. Heresy but orthodox. Fervent but frigid. Senile but naive. Needful but expendable. Loyal but duplicitous. Sane but on tilt.

I feel like listening to Art Bell for some reason.

[sfwusc]

The AQ to AK was about 1:2 dog. Not real a bad beat

AA to T6 after the flop wasnt b3 1:4 dog. A little worse, but not awful.

A bad beat is losing when you are 90% favorite. (have a boat and someone catches one of their two outs on the river. A runner straight/ flush to beat a set. That type of stuff.)

These were nothing. Wait until you play limit and have a 100B+ downswing with few mistakes(no one plays prefect all the time).

SWUSC

[KC50]

asdfghjkl,

You obviously have been banned before because of your stranger status.

What gives you the license to be so abusive in your language an in CAPS to boot. Just because you disagree with someone, does that give you the right to use foul language? I think not.

Get a life!

Not even kind regards,

KC

[CountDuckula]

Yeah, I just had AA cracked a couple of weeks ago by some clown who had 65o, caught his 6 on the flop and his 5 on the river (and I bet or raised at every opportunity). I then got AA twice more that session, and only won once! And lost with AK twice, to hands similar to the first one.

Man, don't play the 1-3 spread limit Hold 'Em at the Excalibur in Vegas; it's obviously rigged!

-Mike

[IndieMatty]

Party isn't rigged OR compromised.....

[RamGad]

Bro, that's two hands. This month, I've played 35,000 hands at Party 5-10 6 max, gone to showdown 38% (which is a little high) but I've won a juicy 46% of showdowns. I know how to fold too. I'm not calling down with any pair or ace high either. I should be winning 50% of showdowns at least going to showdown 38%, but the amount of 2-6 outers I'm losing to is staggering, and I still think Party deals a fair game. Just don't ask me in the middle $200 pot two outer, watching my aces fall to k6o hitting a k on river.

[AngryCola]

This kind of stuff happens all the time in live play too.

It's a couple of hands... what's the problem?

:sigh:

I think this is probably the last time I'm going to say this to anyone.

Party is not rigged. Please learn how to play poker.
Thank you.

[AngryCola]

[ QUOTE ]
A bad beat is losing when you are 90% favorite.

[/ QUOTE ]


This is not true. By whose definition of bad beat?
Certainly not mine.

[TheHip41]

Kleenex (http://www.kleenex.com)


Here you go, this should cover you.

[IndieMatty]

Party isn't rigged OR compromised.....

[cbfair]

[ QUOTE ]
AQ beating my AK.... Ok, I can handle that.... but.. by sheer luck, without the benefit of a 'sample size', I just happen to get AA the very next hand, when I hadn't got a premium hand the entire tournament, and a 6,10 just happens to call and bust it.............

[/ QUOTE ]

Dude, get a grip. Sh*t happens.

Party isn't rigged OR compromised. Your accusation is frankly the least interesting one I've seen here in some time... "OMFG, my one pair of aces was beat twice in a row!", do you get how dumb that sounds?

[Subby]

If you would just follow your pattern map that kind of stuff wouldn't happen...

[Art Vandelay]

These posts remind me of a point-counterpoint on the Onion a few years ago. The point was a girl with "I think my computer like totally hates me" and the counterpoint was the computer saying "My god do I hate that bitch."

Party is not out to get you. Your lack of knowledge about probability and statisitics is.

[slogger]

Party Poker isn't rigged or compromised. Thanks for playing. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Milky]

haha I remember that. I love the Onion /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Reef]

[ QUOTE ]
Don't blaim Party for your lack of knowledge regarding statistics and variance.


[/ QUOTE ]

bleh, he obviously didn't upgrade his mapper

[Iplayragstoo]

Why did you bet out with quads? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[ApolloQuiet]

[ QUOTE ]
Keep in mind... these are BACK TO BACK hands.....



[/ QUOTE ]

I once got A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2/images/graemlins/club.gif. And the next hand, I got 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/club.gif

I reported it to Empire Poker right away.

[Art Vandelay]

Even worse I once got T /images/graemlins/club.gif 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif while on another table at the exact same time I got T /images/graemlins/heart.gif 8 /images/graemlins/club.gif. My money is not safe on this interweb thing.

[bunky9590]

Though I did have a guy last night in a $32.00 SNG get AA on back to back hands and got them cracked both times.

I was the second one to crack them when I had TT and flopped the set. Boo yah.

But, that after losing -110 BB in 2 nights in the 5-10 6 max to a stunning stream of 2 and three outers like you only read about.

But, all is well. Keep plugging away.

[fluff]

Party isn't rigged OR compromised. What do I win?

Oh and also I'll tell you who is rigged: The Bellagio poker room. Avoid at all cost!! Last time I was there the guy next to me got quads 4 times in 2 hours (and I was involved with 2nd best hand in 3 of those). Then some other total fish cracked my Aces with, get this, 32o. He caught the gut shot idiot end of it too (board was 5 3 6 10 and caught 4 on the river).

Conclusion: Party not rigged. Bellagio rigged. Avoid Bellagio.

[WSOPWinner2005]

Saw something funny in my pokertracker stats.. I have a higher win ratio/hand dealt with QQ, then comes KK, then comes AA lol .. this is getting htem about 80 times a piece roughly I believe.

[WSOPWinner2005]

Of course some of this could be the 2/4 I played for DAYS straight being completely different than the $25 NL I usually play... A little 15/30 and 10/20 mixed in forgot to check the limits for the hands (whoops)

[CORed]

[ QUOTE ]
Sample size too small to draw accurate conclusion.

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh come on. It was TWO hands. In a row. How much proof do you need?

[BottlesOf]

/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[JoeC]

I'm the same way with KK and AA. KK is unstoppable for me, it's won 92 out of 97 times.

[Benal]

[ QUOTE ]
Go ahead and tell me Party isn't rigged OR compromised.....

[/ QUOTE ]

Party isn't rigged OR compromised.....

[steamboatin]

You didn't even get to spin the wheel! No jackpots or wheel spins at $1-3 unless its changed from last year.

[Sponger15SB]

It is totally rigged....

http://www.geocities.com/boogiemaster15/Rigged.JPG

Happy now?