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edtost

01-20-2005, 06:06 PM

SB is an unknown; CO is 19/8/2.07 over 500 hands.

am i making money from the river 3bet? how about the flop cap?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, SB calls, Hero caps, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (13.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 25.50 BB

DeezNutz3

01-20-2005, 06:25 PM

I would have played it the same, hope he didn't have AQ.

Munga30

01-20-2005, 06:33 PM

This is one of those boards where I would have played the hand the same as you, but can see it much clearer here.

The flop cap is fine. His hand range still inclues big aces and two pairs.

The river 3 bet is spewing. There are zero hands you beat here once he raises with the flush on board after just calling to close the action on the turn.

admo415

01-20-2005, 06:36 PM

Didnt see he led out

edtost

01-20-2005, 06:37 PM

that was exactly how i was thinking about the hand when it finished, but does the flop cap kill my action from one pair hands on the big streets?

edtost

01-20-2005, 06:38 PM

sb bet the turn, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what he was representing, at least.

DeepCroak

01-20-2005, 06:44 PM

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that was exactly how i was thinking about the hand when it finished, but does the flop cap kill my action from one pair hands on the big streets?

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Maybe, but with the 2-flush on the board (not to mention possible gutshots) I think you have to charge SB the maximum to draw to his flush.

Munga30

01-20-2005, 06:45 PM

If the flop three bet had come from your immediate right, I could see smooth calling and raising the turn. But, as it stands, you have to rely on CO betting when checked to in order to get in a raise on the turn. The risk of it being checked through, generally, makes me take the sure money and cap the flop. Maybe this CO can be counted on, though.

Evan

01-20-2005, 06:49 PM

Why didn't you raise preflop?

Flushed

01-20-2005, 06:52 PM

Isn't the fact that there is a third player with a third best holding getting stuck in-between hero and villain a big factor? The way the river played out, the third guy would not be able to fold to a cap.

The few times the hero loses to a bigger boat, he makes up those bets from the "third guy"'s overcalls on the river.

edtost

01-20-2005, 07:07 PM

i'm raising 99+ here - too tight?

edtost

01-20-2005, 07:08 PM

it also makes it more likely that the CO has a real (big flush or better) hand.

edit: plus, i win a lot when he calls my 3bet, but like never when i get capped.

Entity

01-20-2005, 07:08 PM

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i'm raising 99+ here - too tight?

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Yes. Against one limper this is an easy raise with 77+.

Munga30

01-20-2005, 07:12 PM

What are the smaller boats ed beats? How likely is CO to have played those hands the way that he did?

Even without the hand reading, make the assumption that when ed's ahead, he collects 2 bets by three betting and is capped by a worse hand 25% of the time and both call, for a total of 2.5 bets when ahead. When ed's behind, he loses a bet by three-betting and will be capped 75% of the time, for a loss of 1.75 bets. ed has to be ahead about 41% of the time to break even on three betting under these assumptions. He's not good nearly that often, if at all, IMO.