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mtdoak
01-20-2005, 08:08 AM
I've dropped a little over 170 BB in the past 8 hrs, thank God party is down so I can recover a little. I feel like I'm playing the hands right, just getting bent over on every hand. Please reassure me.

Hand #1.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: (9 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO calls, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB folds.

River: (13.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Was the river check/call correct? I'm shellshocked at this point because it seems every pot is being runner runnered.

Hand #2.
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: (9.75 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Again, another big pot, another scary as hell river card. Another check/call in order here?

Hand #3
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Again, do I value raise this river? I put them on King-Rag (K9 or K5), and if its K-9, i just ruined their two pair.

Hand #4.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (23.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 29.25 BB

Is the flop cap just bleeding chips here? BB is tight/passive, so for him to 3 bet me he either has the other 2 aces or KK/QQ, maybe AK, all of which I'm way ahead of. It looks like MP2 flopped a set here, maybe two pair. Too agressive? Just right?

And Finally, Hand #5.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Button calls.

River: (17 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

At this point I'm certain someone is chasing their flush and got me. Where else will people call 3 bets on the turn unless at least one of them is chasing a flush. My river Check/call or right?

Nick B.
01-20-2005, 09:28 AM
In hand 1, I think you can check fold. Unless he is a complete Lag, he won't bet with 2 other opponents with that scary board without something that beats KK.

In hand 2, I would probably check call. Let him bluff.

In hand 3, I think you probably should raise the river. I don't think he would make that action on the turn with just a 5, and that is kind of a weird line for a set. I don't think this is that big of a decision profit wise.

Hand #4 I think you can fold the river. Pumping the flop is fine. But MP flat calls then reraises the turn against 2 people who capped preflop and the flop says that your AA is no good.

Hand #5 I think is fine.