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mikey checks

01-20-2005, 04:18 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 (t1154)
UTG+2 (t893)
MP1 (t765)
MP2 (t518)
MP3 (t1080)
Hero (t960)
Button (t960)
SB (t1385)
BB (t1310)
UTG (t975)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 3 folds, MP3 raises to t75, Hero calls t75, 2 folds, BB calls t60, UTG+1 calls t60.

Flop: (t310) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets t350, Hero calls t350, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (t1010) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP3 bets t655 (All-In), Hero ...

Curious on the odds and what you would put this player on. My read is fairly aggressive with flopped pairs / especially with his raises.

Slim Pickens

01-20-2005, 04:33 AM

Odds to a ten-high flush for you? It looks like you don't have odds to call.

My guess is high PP... QQ. Is there a reason you didn't fold this preflop?

Slim

Sluss

01-20-2005, 07:35 AM

Fold pre flop....okay you called.

Fold on the flop...okay you called.

Muck on the turn.

What does this guy have, I would say flush draw or AJ maybe AJ with the A /images/graemlins/club.gif

I would also like to know why you stayed in this hand so long? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

HUSKER'66

01-20-2005, 09:35 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 (t1154)
UTG+2 (t893)
MP1 (t765)
MP2 (t518)
MP3 (t1080)
Hero (t960)
Button (t960)
SB (t1385)
BB (t1310)
UTG (t975)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 3 folds, MP3 raises to t75, Hero calls t75, 2 folds, BB calls t60, UTG+1 calls t60.

Flop: (t310) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets t350, Hero calls t350, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (t1010) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP3 bets t655 (All-In), Hero ...

Curious on the odds and what you would put this player on. My read is fairly aggressive with flopped pairs / especially with his raises.

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Well your all in if you call and the pots laying you almost 3/1.(1545/535)

I put him on a high pocket pair (QQ-AA or AKo). With the pot size bet, looks like he's trying to protect against draws. If another club falls here or even a T, you might be good here.

I don't like your play up to this point , but your practically pot committed and will be short stacked after calling off 425t (44% of your chips /images/graemlins/tongue.gif) only to fold.

Husker

unfrgvn

01-20-2005, 10:04 AM

I would have mucked pre flop. Since you didn't, there is 300 in the pot on the flop. You get about as good a flop as you can reasonably expect for your hand, but your opponent bets just over the pot. Unless one of the other players comes along, you are getting only 2-1 on a 3-1 shot, IF your flush is good. Of course, if one of the other players comes along there is a good chance your flush draw is no good. So I think it is a clear fold here. I think if you want to continue in the hand, you must push all in. If he has AK or AQ you might get a fold. I would be reading him for an over pair here, with AK, AQ, or AJ possible.
Now you've called the flop, making the pot 1000. You've caught a card that probably gives you more outs and he pushes, which is in effect a 535 bet, since that is all you have left. So your choice is to call getting 3-1 odds or fold, damaged but not hopeless. To me his push further defines his hand as an overpair or AJ. I don't think he has a better flush draw, because he has been trying to deny you odds to chase the flush. If had the nut flush draw, I think he would bet smaller. In that case you have 14 outs (2 tens, 3 eights, 9 clubs), which makes you about 30% to make your hand. You are still not getting odds to call, though it's close. Fold and try to come back.

Cry Me A River

01-22-2005, 02:02 AM

I'd fold this hand at least 3 times - Pre-flop, on the Flop, on the Turn and probably on the River.

Frankly, I can't imagine calling a raise with T8s on level 1 unless I'd already doubled up previously...

mikey checks

01-22-2005, 08:01 PM

lol I love your reply (fold 3 times)

YES, I might've folded preflop...but I like suited connectors with a WADB
YES, I SHOULD HAVE folded on the flop and turn, his bet was too big to call

Villain ended up showing 2-3 for flopped 2 pair. I would've never guessed. Oh yea, and I hit my flush.