What is your best purchase for < $10?

[partygirluk]

Ear plugs.

[cnfuzzd]

cigarettes. For three dollars and forty cents, i can guarentee i wont go insane for at least 2-6 hours.

peace

john nickle

[LALDAAS]

an 1/8 of mushrooms I got a good deal.

[Vince Young]

TSC's mom.

[Michael Davis]

Actually that was one of my worst low limit purchases.

-Michael

[IndieMatty]

Easy Money with Rodney Dangerfield on DVD, 9.99 at Rite Aid.

And to vick nickles statement, ciggys, except here they are 7.50.

[BullChip]

El Pollo Loco special.

11 pieces of legs and thighs for $7.99

I feasted well that day. Yum. Charbroiled Chicken.

[Alobar]

my monthly subscription to the cumfiesta sites

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
ciggys, except here they are 7.50.

[/ QUOTE ]
A pack? Are they magic cigarettes?

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
TSC's mom.

[/ QUOTE ]lamest joke ever, but not nearly as lame as having the same screen name as a real person.

tool.

[LALDAAS]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
ciggys, except here they are 7.50.

[/ QUOTE ]
A pack? Are they magic cigarettes?

[/ QUOTE ]

A pack of smokes where i live is 6.50 central Jersey.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
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[ QUOTE ]
ciggys, except here they are 7.50.

[/ QUOTE ]
A pack? Are they magic cigarettes?

[/ QUOTE ]

A pack of smokes where i live is 6.50 central Jersey.

[/ QUOTE ]$7+ in WA too. its called taxes.

[BottlesOf]

http://www.thestudentzone.com/articles/images/comp-condoms.jpg

[offTopic]

Microplane coarse grater

[Vince Young]

Heads up. 5k.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
Heads up. 5k.

[/ QUOTE ] is this how you call someone out?

even more toolish.

[The once and future king]

You had to pay her?

[Losing all]

pocket pu$$y, $8.99

[LALDAAS]

[ QUOTE ]
pocket pu$$y, $8.99

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL agreed

[nolanfan34]

[ QUOTE ]
http://www.thestudentzone.com/articles/images/comp-condoms.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Good post, its just too bad that you have all of them still. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Shajen]

Thai hooker.

[IndieMatty]

If by magic you mean taxed up the ass in New York City...then yes. Magic.

They are even going after people who buy over the internet. Luckily Parliament (my brand) always has some deal (3 for 2) so I pay around 6 or 6.50 on average.

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
always has some deal (3 for 2) so I pay around 6 or 6.50 on average.

[/ QUOTE ]

What a bargain. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[LALDAAS]

The taxes are getting rediculous, I read they are going up yet again in NJ and NY.
I when I started I paid 1.60 per pack

[IndieMatty]

I know. It sucks...but I choose this, so I don't complain. Sadly I started smoking in college, when i could get 4 packs for 5 bucks (special 2 for 2's a pack was around 2.50 then) and then the deli at my school would collect the empty packs and give you a free pack. (weird--I'll never understand it).

So basically in 1996-1997 I was paying $1.00 a pack.

[sfer]

[ QUOTE ]
Good post, its just too bad that you have all of them still. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

PWNTOWN!

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Good post, its just too bad that you have all of them still. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

PWNTOWN!

[/ QUOTE ]

Haha agreed.

[daryn]

they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yea. Taxes are the answers to all the world's problems.

[Justin A]

In N Out burger last night.

Most meals from the Old Spaghetti Factory.

Justin A

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]while there at it, let them tax poker, that would solve a lot of the problem in the U.S.

[Popinjay]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yea. Taxes are the answers to all the world's problems.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly, imagine what sort of horrid state our government would be in if we couldn't put on a $40 million inauguration ceremony for GWB!

[cnfuzzd]

daryn. i have always respected your work. this is too far. Too, too far. Im praying my sarcasm detector is broken.


peace

john nickle

[IndieMatty]

yeah...ditto. WTF Daryn?


Though I agree sorta. But as someone who has health insurance, my smoking is my problem.

[daryn]

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they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yea. Taxes are the answers to all the world's problems.

[/ QUOTE ]

interesting how i say it will solve "a lot" of problems in the "US", and you turn it into saving "all the world's problems"

[daryn]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
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they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]while there at it, let them tax poker, that would solve a lot of the problem in the U.S.

[/ QUOTE ]


i would agree, except that way more people smoke than play poker. and they can't quit!

[daryn]

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daryn. i have always respected your work. this is too far. Too, too far. Im praying my sarcasm detector is broken.


peace

john nickle

[/ QUOTE ]


i'm dead serious.

[IndieMatty]

Wheres the line? Why not tax booze and guns? Pornography? You need to write a post called "Daryn's Line"
so we can just know when the logic begins and ends for you.

[brassnuts]

C'mon guys. Let's take this outside. (politics forum)

[lapoker17]

More government is always the answer. Hopefully they will handle smoking as well as they handle garbage removal and Social Security and Spotted Owls.

Great post.

[Popinjay]

Screw taxing poker and cigarettes, start taxing caviar (something like 200%). Now that would really start to help.

[daryn]

man you guys are flying off the handle here. i just thought it would be a good idea to tax smokers out the ass. you know they will pay too, addicts /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[daryn]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
More government is always the answer. Hopefully they will handle smoking as well as they handle garbage removal and Social Security and Spotted Owls.

Great post.

[/ QUOTE ]


eh, i'm actually in favor of less government. i just figured it was an easy way to scare up some dough.

[dr. klopek]

[ QUOTE ]
they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh. I'll guess, you don't smoke?

[brassnuts]

Hehe. It's a clever way to generate a crapload of governement revenue, but it's still wrong. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[cnfuzzd]

let me put it to you like this. Someone tells you that the government is going to start taxing all non-marital sex. Sure, you know you would pay for it, but man, the very thought would start me shaking in my proverbial boots. Same with the cigarettes. Actually, the effect is stronger with the cigarettes. Pussy and cigarettes will probably kill all of us one day, but at least cigarettes do it quietly.

no worries daryn. i was being half-sarcastic myself. and yes, i would pay for it. actually, i would start "slinging" cigarettes. imagine. i would be rich.

peace

john nickle

[Schneids]

37 Little Debbie Cream Cakes.

[daryn]

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they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh. I'll guess, you don't smoke?

[/ QUOTE ]


you are correct. i think it's one of the dumbest things one can do, for many reasons.

[dr. klopek]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]
Ugh. I'll guess, you don't smoke?

[/ QUOTE ]
you are correct. i think it's one of the dumbest things one can do, for many reasons.

[/ QUOTE ]

I do, so I say we should tax drumsticks and headphones.

[BottlesOf]

Not really. Just False. And also, way too easy.

[nolanfan34]

[ QUOTE ]
man you guys are flying off the handle here. i just thought it would be a good idea to tax smokers out the ass. you know they will pay too, addicts /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

And how dare you smokers hijack my pwnage of Johnnny (as amulet calls him).

[daryn]

even with your poor usage of the quote function, i understand what you were getting at.

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Well, I do, so I say we tax drumsticks and headphones.


[/ QUOTE ]


well, yeah that would suck for me, but such a tax wouldn't really provide that much money. tons of people smoke, and they won't stop because of a tax, so i see it as a good way to come up with a lot of cash, that's all.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh. I'll guess, you don't smoke?

[/ QUOTE ]


you are correct. i think it's one of the dumbest things one can do, for many reasons.

[/ QUOTE ]

Daryn, you are a real jerk-off sometimes.

BTW, I don't smoke either.

[SomethingClever]

[ QUOTE ]
they should jack the tax even more. it should be $20/pack. that'll solve a lot of problems in the US.

[/ QUOTE ]

Better idea: Legalize pot and tax the s[/i]hit out of it.

[nolanfan34]

[ QUOTE ]
Not really. Just False.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's your retort? I totally threw you a softball to hit out of the park with a nice "well, it was a case of 100" comment. Weak.

[Popinjay]

LETS TAX TAX!!

[daryn]

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Daryn, you are a real jerk-off sometimes.

BTW, I don't smoke either.


[/ QUOTE ]


uhh.. ok dude. for voicing my opinion?

[lapoker17]

Scare up some dough for what? More government programs?

You're a smart guy and a great poster, but just admit this was a mistake and we'll all move on.

[BottlesOf]

Funny, that was basically my response to you (I edited a sentence after)

[Popinjay]

gotmilk? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[dr. klopek]

[ QUOTE ]
even with your poor usage of the quote function, i understand what you were getting at.

[/ QUOTE ]

I always manage to so something like that when I can't afford not to look stupid.

So if the point is taxing people who will pay anyway, the clear answer is porn. Naw, they're a picky bunch, how bout insulin?

[nolanfan34]

[ QUOTE ]
Funny, that was basically my response to you (I edited a sentence after)

[/ QUOTE ]

Nice use of the edit function, I missed that. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[daryn]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
Scare up some dough for what? More government programs?

You're a smart guy and a great poster, but just admit this was a mistake and we'll all move on.

[/ QUOTE ]


let me just say first off that i hate politics. i'm not interested in getting into any sort of political discussion. also, i don't vote /images/graemlins/grin.gif

the government does have to use money to pay for certain things, and i just see taxing cigarettes as an easy way to get a lot of money. why is it a mistake? i don't really care about this one way or the other. you won't catch me on the steps of city hall with petitions trying to get cigarette tax pushed up.

[daryn]

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even with your poor usage of the quote function, i understand what you were getting at.

[/ QUOTE ]

I always manage to so something like that when I can't afford not to look stupid.

So if the point is taxing people who will pay anyway, the clear answer is porn. Naw, they're a picky bunch, how bout insulin?

[/ QUOTE ]

taxing porn seems like a great idea. insulin not so much, because come on, some people need it to live, and it's not their fault.

[BottlesOf]

I am a big fan of editing right after I post, and not a fan of the preview function at all.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Daryn, you are a real jerk-off sometimes.

BTW, I don't smoke either.


[/ QUOTE ]


uhh.. ok dude. for voicing my opinion?

[/ QUOTE ]

Its not that you voiced your opinion(thats 100% fine) but you do it in a [censored] way IMO. yeah smoking sucks, but so what its their choice. The last thing we need is the government enforcing morality and health decisions on American citizens.

[Popinjay]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Daryn, you are a real jerk-off sometimes.

BTW, I don't smoke either.


[/ QUOTE ]


uhh.. ok dude. for voicing my opinion?

[/ QUOTE ]

Its not that you voiced your opinion(thats 100% fine) but you do it in a [censored] way IMO. yeah smoking sucks, but so what its their choice. The last thing we need is the government enforcing morality and health decisions on American citizens.

[/ QUOTE ]

Marijuana is illegal right?

[daryn]

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Daryn, you are a real jerk-off sometimes.

BTW, I don't smoke either.


[/ QUOTE ]


uhh.. ok dude. for voicing my opinion?

[/ QUOTE ]

Its not that you voiced your opinion(thats 100% fine) but you do it in a [censored] way IMO. yeah smoking sucks, but so what its their choice. The last thing we need is the government enforcing morality and health decisions on American citizens.

[/ QUOTE ]

i agree with you i think. i don't think smoking should be illegal. people who want to smoke should be able to, although not around people who don't want to breathe in smoke.

all i said was i think it's one of the dumbest things a person can do. i just don't see anything wrong with that statement. if you take a look at the situation again i think you'll see i wasn't being an a-hole.

[brassnuts]

[ QUOTE ]
insulin not so much, because come on, some people need it to live...

[/ QUOTE ]

All the more reason to do so. You could really place some outrageous taxes upon it.

[nolanfan34]

[ QUOTE ]
the government does have to use money to pay for certain things, and i just see taxing cigarettes as an easy way to get a lot of money. why is it a mistake?

[/ QUOTE ]

Sin taxes on things like cigarettes hit a diminishing return fairly quickly, so a $20/pack price wouldn't work. In Washington they've found that the maximum amount of revenue has already been reached - further increases in taxes on cigarettes just pushes people to the internet and indian reservations. So in theory it could raise money, but in reality it doesn't work.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
people who want to smoke should be able to, although not around people who don't want to breathe in smoke.

[/ QUOTE ]hmmm this thread has been hijackes. I agree with you, but this is far different that taxing it out the ass.

[ QUOTE ]
if you take a look at the situation again i think you'll see i wasn't being an a-hole.

[/ QUOTE ] Daryn, how could I hate you. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[brassnuts]

[ QUOTE ]
i don't think smoking should be illegal. people who want to smoke should be able to, although not around people who don't want to breathe in smoke.

[/ QUOTE ]

Couldn't agree more.

[ QUOTE ]
all i said was i think it's one of the dumbest things a person can do. i just don't see anything wrong with that statement. if you take a look at the situation again i think you'll see i wasn't being an a-hole.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think all that he's saying is your sometimes rude. Not that you're wrong.

[daryn]

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insulin not so much, because come on, some people need it to live...

[/ QUOTE ]

All the more reason to do so. You could really place some outrageous taxes upon it.

[/ QUOTE ]


i don't see it as fair though, that's the difference i think.


</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
I think all that he's saying is your sometimes rude. Not that you're wrong.


[/ QUOTE ]

fair enough. i guess i just don't see being the nicest guy i can be as a priority on an internet message board. i am pretty nice in person.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
the government does have to use money to pay for certain things, and i just see taxing cigarettes as an easy way to get a lot of money. why is it a mistake?

[/ QUOTE ]

Sin taxes on things like cigarettes hit a diminishing return fairly quickly, so a $20/pack price wouldn't work. In Washington they've found that the maximum amount of revenue has already been reached - further increases in taxes on cigarettes just pushes people to the internet and indian reservations. So in theory it could raise money, but in reality it doesn't work.

[/ QUOTE ] is that the GOP line /images/graemlins/wink.gif?

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
Its not that you voiced your opinion(thats 100% fine) but you do it in a [censored] way IMO. yeah smoking sucks, but so what its their choice. The last thing we need is the government enforcing morality and health decisions on American citizens.

[/ QUOTE ]

Its not saying, 'you can't smoke'. Its saying if you want to do this you need to recognise it causes a negative externality and makes society generally worse off, therefore you pay to compensate. It may not have been Daryn's point but this really is the main reason smoking could/should be taxed more heavily. Btw I have been a smoker, and my opinion has never been different. A percentage of the tax revenue of smoking should go to non-smokers as a benefit, or smoking should be totally banned in public.

Tobacco and alcohol are both drugs with negative consequences for non-users. They deserve to be taxed heavily.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
I agree with you, but this is far different that taxing it out the ass.


[/ QUOTE ]

Why?

[nolanfan34]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
the government does have to use money to pay for certain things, and i just see taxing cigarettes as an easy way to get a lot of money. why is it a mistake?

[/ QUOTE ]

Sin taxes on things like cigarettes hit a diminishing return fairly quickly, so a $20/pack price wouldn't work. In Washington they've found that the maximum amount of revenue has already been reached - further increases in taxes on cigarettes just pushes people to the internet and indian reservations. So in theory it could raise money, but in reality it doesn't work.

[/ QUOTE ] is that the GOP line /images/graemlins/wink.gif?

[/ QUOTE ]

No, just the correct one. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Popinjay]

CHANGE THAT AVATAR PLS

[daryn]

i agree with tosh 100%. very well worded.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
smoking should be totally banned in public.

[/ QUOTE ]I don't even smoke and I think this is totally ridiculous.

[ QUOTE ]
Tobacco and alcohol are both drugs with negative consequences for non-users. They deserve to be taxed heavily.

[/ QUOTE ] yes, lets go ahead and tax the poor, because they sure as hell aren't taxed enough already.

[brassnuts]

[ QUOTE ]

i don't see it as fair though, that's the difference i think.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly. I just don't see sin taxes as being fair, as long as that sin itself isn't really affecting other people. Guess it's kinda a matter of opinion.

[ThaSaltCracka]

well played Nolan.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
CHANGE THAT AVATAR PLS

[/ QUOTE ]

I can't, I lost a challenge to bisonbison.

[drewjustdrew]

[ QUOTE ]
man you guys are flying off the handle here. i just thought it would be a good idea to tax smokers out the ass. you know they will pay too, addicts /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Bad idea in the short run. Smokers will not quit or slow down. They will reallocate their uses for cash to accomodate the habit. Maybe they will spend less on food, so the population will become less fat in general. It should, however, reduce the number of new smokers, since they don't have the addiction yet.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
They will reallocate their uses for cash to accomodate the habit. Maybe they will spend less on food, so the population will become less fat in general.

[/ QUOTE ] people spending more of their retained earnings on taxes= people spending less of their retained earnings on other goods and services. Taxes hurt the economy.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't even smoke and I think this is totally ridiculous.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think the tax route is a better solution here but banning smoking in public is perfectly feasible. Explain why its not?

[ QUOTE ]
yes, lets go ahead and tax the poor, because they sure as hell aren't taxed enough already.

[/ QUOTE ]

No lets tax the people that are reducing the quality of life for others. If they're poor and can't afford it, well they will have to find a way of quitting then won't they.

[daryn]

heh... i'm addicted to beluga caviar! it's not fair that it's so damn expensive! i am poor but i should be able to eat caviar on a daily basis!

[brassnuts]

Banning smoking in all public places is ridiculous. Having areas that where smoking is prohibited is more sensible.

[Popinjay]

We should have an extravagance tax. If you make a purchase that is deemed extravagant, you pay 200% tax. Such things would include, caviar, "bling bling", and the super size option at McD's.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
Banning smoking in all public places is ridiculous.

[/ QUOTE ]

Again, why?

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
I think the tax route is a better solution here but banning smoking in public is perfectly feasible. Explain why its not?

[/ QUOTE ] so you would like smoking banned in public parks? I mean, it is alreay banned in most buildings.

[ QUOTE ]

No lets tax the people that are reducing the quality of life for others.

[/ QUOTE ] this is so subjective though. Someone could easily argue that power boaters are reducing theoir quality of life because they are loud and they pollute the lakes and rivers.

Taxes are almost never the answer to solving societies social "ills" and "vices". In fact they are ineffective. They unfairly punish people who have made a personal life choice. Also, higher taxes of sucj products are more than likely to lead to a black market for said good, and well, black markets are never good(see: drugs).

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
so you would like smoking banned in public parks? I mean, it is alreay banned in most buildings.

[/ QUOTE ]

If a ban is the answer, it should be anywhere it affects others.

[ QUOTE ]
Taxes are almost never the answer to solving societies social "ills" and "vices". In fact they are ineffective. They unfairly punish people who have made a personal life choice. Also, higher taxes of sucj products are more than likely to lead to a black market for said good, and well, black markets are never good(see: drugs).

[/ QUOTE ]

Almost yes, but negative externalities are not good for society either.

The black market for drugs exists because drugs aren't legal. Legalise drugs, have them government controlled / regulated, take away the black market. The price of a drug like ecstacy would fall if they were legal, the black market markup on them is already massive.

[dr. klopek]

[ QUOTE ]
heh... i'm addicted to beluga caviar! it's not fair that it's so damn expensive! i am poor but i should be able to eat caviar on a daily basis!

[/ QUOTE ]

I hope that as I'm posting this, I'm missing your retraction.

First of all, can anyone explain to me how me smoking hurts you? If the bar's too smoky, bounce, you knew we could smoke there. Please tell me that you don't think standing next to me outdoors while I smoke is anything but annoying for you.

Taxing things that people are addicted to is wrong. How can you not see this? I notice it's usually non-smokers who want more taxes on cigarettes. And non-smokers who want to ban public smoking. If I have to pay more taxes because you said so, I should be able to smoke in your bedroom.

[astroglide]

god, this one is easy. strippers are an exceptional value.

[Popinjay]

[ QUOTE ]

Taxing things that people are addicted to is wrong. How can you not see this? I notice it's usually non-smokers who want more taxes on cigarettes. And non-smokers who want to ban public smoking. If I have to pay more taxes because you said so, I should be able to smoke in your bedroom.

[/ QUOTE ]

Do you believe that smoking is bad? If so, what do you propose should be done to help people quit and prevent people from starting?

[brassnuts]

[ QUOTE ]
If a ban is the answer, it should be anywhere it affects others.


[/ QUOTE ]

Some people's voices are very annoying; they shouldn't be allowed to speak in public. Some people are very ugly; they shouldn't allow themselves to be seen in public. Some people stink very badly; they should be allowed in public. Wait, that last one.... I'm serious.

[brassnuts]

[ QUOTE ]
Do you believe that smoking is bad? If so, what do you propose should be done to help people quit and prevent people from starting?

[/ QUOTE ]

You don't make decisions for other people like this.

[daryn]

eh i don't really care if people are allowed to smoke in bars. i don't go to bars, but if i did, i'd like to think i had the option of going to one w/out a cloud of smoke inside.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
Some people's voices are very annoying; they shouldn't be allowed to speak in public. Some people are very ugly; they shouldn't allow themselves to be seen in public. Some people stink very badly; they should be allowed in public. Wait, that last one.... I'm serious.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey, I'm not saying its not a big grey area, I'm giving my opinion, saying my opinion is ridiculous, is ridiculous.

Your examples of aesthetics are very different though, ugly people are ugly by design not by choice. I have other radical views that I won't even bother voicing about the general idea you are getting at though.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]


You don't make decisions for other people like this.

[/ QUOTE ]

So why can't I go out and buy some cocaine legally? That decision has been taken away from me.

[brassnuts]

Heh. I wasn't the one who made cocaine illegal. I agree with you about grey areas. Almost everything is in the grey area.

[dr. klopek]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Taxing things that people are addicted to is wrong. How can you not see this? I notice it's usually non-smokers who want more taxes on cigarettes. And non-smokers who want to ban public smoking. If I have to pay more taxes because you said so, I should be able to smoke in your bedroom.

[/ QUOTE ]

Do you believe that smoking is bad? If so, what do you propose should be done to help people quit and prevent people from starting?

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I smoke, smoking is bad. I would quit if I could, but addictions don't just let go. Preventing people from starting is more important. I don't know how we can do it. Smoking has a certain allure, probably because it is associated with coolness at a young age. It is also associated with sociability (for some reason), and relaxation (for good reason). If we could get rid of these things, maybe less people would start. If anyone should have to pay anything extra, it should be those fucks in the advertising departments at tobacco companies.

[duk]

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Some people's voices are very annoying; they shouldn't be allowed to speak in public. Some people are very ugly; they shouldn't allow themselves to be seen in public. Some people stink very badly; they should be allowed in public. Wait, that last one.... I'm serious.


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The difference with smoking is that it is a choice. While being ugly or having an annoying voice is detrimental to society, it is not a choice. Things like smoking or playing very loud music or masturbating in public are choices and are bad for society. As a result, these things are not (or should not) be allowed in public.

In the case of smoking, it's simply a matter of what is socially acceptable. Most people don't think that smoking in public is worse than exposing oneself to a kindergarden class. Thus exposing oneself is banned, while smoking is not. Increasingly, people are less tolerant of smoking; at some point it is intolerable enough, on the whole, that it should be banned in public.

[cnfuzzd]

this thread, which started out marginally interesting, has now become stupid. And all because i enjoy killing myself one little death-stick at a time. I was kidding with daryn. Smoking is bad. I am self-interested, and not socially conscious, so i dont think the tax should be raised or that smoking should be banned. However, given that OOT, unfortuanatly, doesnt rule the world, this entire discussion is pointless. Someone post some titties.

Daryn, you really do rock. not swinging from your nuts or anything, but i love the attitude expressed with the " i dont consider being nice a priority on an internet message board". I adopt the same attitude, just with real life also. No friends.

peace

john nickle

[daryn]

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who am i, scalf?

[cnfuzzd]

"daryn" the least recognized gimmick account, ever. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

peace

john nickle

[Tosh]

Although its a very opinionated discussion, and one that will not really reach agreement, I thought it was all interesting.

[Tosh]

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heh... i'm addicted to beluga caviar! it's not fair that it's so damn expensive! i am poor but i should be able to eat caviar on a daily basis!

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Hehe couldn't agree more!

[cnfuzzd]

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Although its a very opinionated discussion, and one that will not really reach agreement, I thought it was all interesting.

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except its the same discussion everytime. every single time. It wasnt even that interesting because no one really discussed the external costs of limited smoking in a country like the us where we have no state-supported helth care, and how the tax could be used to alleviate the stress placed on insurors or hospital systems(although you were trying to instigate such a discussion) Also, no one questioned the legitmacy of evoking of the "common good" clause to ban smoking in public areas vs the individual rights of commercial property owners to allow smoking on their premises. Nor did we weigh the various daily activites that threaten public safety which essentially go unregulated (bad driving, bad eating, etc etc etc) and how they compare to public smoking. The argument of exactly how much tax revenue would be generated was broched, but also not in much detail. With increased taxation, consumers will find alternate routes to obtain their desired product, thus limiting the amount of available funds. Finally, There was no common framework created for discussion to remedy the fact that each persons locality is effected not only by national laws, but also at the smaller state, county, and city level, and some communities are willing to accept social costs of smoking. Do we just ignore what these magorities are telling us?

In short, it was very much a politics forum discussion.


peace

john nickle

[citanul]

For god's sake guys, I haven't read farther in this thread or anything, but:

Do some reading on the subject. There's a very valid idea behind taxing cigarettes, booze, and pornography. It's not like there isn't a tax on the first two already. (I don't know about the 3rd.)

Don't bring guns into the mix, they are completely different sort of object. But a Vice tax (NOTE: not a SIN tax) is a perfectly reasonable idea, and has been delved into by many high-end economists.

On the whole, my opinion on this matter is along the lines of the following. To all y'all who say things like "taxes are the solution to the world's problems" with a sarcastic assclowny tone, "stfu." They do good things, like pave your roads and pay for schools (I don't want to hear about how badly paved or under construction your roads are, or the state of your local school district). They pay for the army. Lots of stuff that otherwise wouldn't be paid for.

The fact is that people who do things like smoke cigarettes are willing and able to pay much more than the current market prices for cigarettes, which are good for no one. So marking them up, and putting the money towards socially beneficial programs, possibly lowering taxes in other realms, is far from a bad idea.

citanul

[citanul]

and i thought you quit?

[citanul]

what's wrong about it?
addict.

[daryn]

ahem. zing.





edit: ok that's not fair, i realize it's tough. good luck to you in the future if you give it another go.

[Tosh]

I kinda thought I touched on most of those things to be honest, though most of the time it seemed like the counter argument was 'you're talking bollocks'. Anyway, I just like arguing.

[cnfuzzd]

you did, but there was no real discussion. Bollocks. You damn british people get all the cool words.

peace

john nickle

[brassnuts]

I don't smoke.