88, with pair on board

[ThaSaltCracka]

I am just looking for basic comments. If its good, let me know, if I made some mistakes, please enlighten.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+2 folds.

River: (8 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

[wacki]

Salt, did he give you a reason to slow down?

[Mike Gallo]

Preflop you can raise with 88 from this position against one limper from the cutoff. So long as the cutoff will not limp with hands like AK AQ AJ 10 10.

I like the flop raise.

I like the turn bet.

I like the river bet.

Next case /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Salt, did he give you a reason to slow down?

[/ QUOTE ]are you talking about preflop?

thanks Mike.

[Mike Gallo]

Did you consider raising preflop?

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
Did you consider raising preflop?

[/ QUOTE ]thought about it, decided not too. I have a hard time deciding on raising with mid pocket pairs. Is this an auto raise?

[chief444]

It is for me against one limper.

[Mike Gallo]

Is this an auto raise?

Against a typical non thinking opponent I would say so.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Is this an auto raise?

Against a typical non thinking opponent I would say so.

[/ QUOTE ]gotcha, thanks Mike, I am breaking the chains of "weak-tightness" off.

[Mike Gallo]

gotcha, thanks Mike, I am breaking the chains of "weak-tightness" off.

Since I have broken those chains my game has improved.

[wacki]

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Salt, did he give you a reason to slow down?

[/ QUOTE ]are you talking about preflop?

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Any street.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Salt, did he give you a reason to slow down?

[/ QUOTE ]are you talking about preflop?

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Any street.

[/ QUOTE ]I bet out every street but PF.

[wacki]

You raised the flop, and bet out on the turn and river.

Now, I'm asking you, did he give you a reason to slow down?

[Entity]

Yeah, you've heard is. Raise prelfop. Rest of the hand is fine.

Rob

[ThaSaltCracka]

uh, no, but that doesn't necessarily make it right though,

[wacki]

You have an overpair and he hasn't told you to slow down. It's correct in this situation and it will be correct in the vast majority of situations that you get top pair or better.

[ThaSaltCracka]

yeah yeah yeah
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thanks Wacki.

[cnfuzzd]

Heres a basic comment: Use the damn "Condense first round option" option on bison's convertor. I spent way too long trying to figure why there was so much action when everyone was folding. Amatuer.

Damn Bud Lights. Get ya everytime.

peace

john nickle

[wacki]

Use the damn "Condense first round option" option on bison's convertor. I spent way too long trying to figure why there was so much action when everyone was folding.

Why doesn't bison have that on by default?

[me454555]

I'm not trying to be rude or anything but I don't understand why you're posting the hand. After 10k posts, you know the postflop play is fine. As I'm reading though the hand, I'm just not sure what you want us to say about it. Are we commenting on the preflop call instead of raise? The flop raise? or the turn and river bets? By not giving us much to go on, its hard for us to help you identify your weak spots.

[Entity]

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I'm not trying to be rude or anything but I don't understand why you're posting the hand. After 10k posts, you know the postflop play is fine. As I'm reading though the hand, I'm just not sure what you want us to say about it. Are we commenting on the preflop call instead of raise? The flop raise? or the turn and river bets? By not giving us much to go on, its hard for us to help you identify your weak spots.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think most of his posts are in OOT. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rob

[cnfuzzd]

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I'm not trying to be rude or anything but I don't understand why you're posting the hand. After 10k posts, you know the postflop play is fine.

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youve obviously never discussed much poker with salt, or, as i like to call him, TSA.

peace

john nickle

[BottlesOf]

Raise preflop, other than that, it looks good.

[BottlesOf]

Hahaha, meet TSC.

[ThaSaltCracka]

Listen bucko,
some of us signed up for this forum to discuss poker, and some of us signed on this forum to discuss poker only to not discuss poker because we waste lots of time in OOT.
anyways, as for why there is not much info, sorry, but it was one of my first hands at the table, so I had no reads.
-TSC, vet poster and OOT guru.

[BottlesOf]

POTY!!!!!!!!!!

[ThaSaltCracka]

count it!

[wacki]

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POTY!!!!!!!!!!

[/ QUOTE ] Agreed, thanks for the laugh me454555 and TSC.

[Entity]

I think an OOOT forum should be created for TSC.

[ThaSaltCracka]

bro, you post a lot man, wow, you can make it to 10k in 15 months too. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

do it!!!

[Entity]

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bro, you post a lot man, wow, you can make it to 10k in 15 months too. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

do it!!!

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I know, and almost all of them are off-topic posts in on-topic forums. You should try it sometime.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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bro, you post a lot man, wow, you can make it to 10k in 15 months too. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

do it!!!

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I know, and almost all of them are off-topic posts in on-topic forums. You should try it sometime.

[/ QUOTE ]

I can do that, but I have nothing to shoot for.

[Entity]

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bro, you post a lot man, wow, you can make it to 10k in 15 months too. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

do it!!!

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I know, and almost all of them are off-topic posts in on-topic forums. You should try it sometime.

[/ QUOTE ]

I can do that, but I have nothing to shoot for.

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20k?

BTW, did you consider raising preflop?

[ThaSaltCracka]

yeah I thought about raising and it makes sense too raise too. I am just trying to get out of the weak-tight mentality that I have had for so long.

[Schizo]

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BTW, did you consider raising preflop?

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If you're supposed to be raise PF, why isn't it in SSH?

[Entity]

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BTW, did you consider raising preflop?

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If you're supposed to be raise PF, why isn't it in SSH?

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Because that book isn't the bible and it doesn't include how to deal with shorthanded situations like one stupid person limping in EP and you holding a mid-pocket pair in LP, like the CO.

Just so you know, this is a ridiculously easy raise. So is 77, and I'd raise with 66 as well. I'm sure other posters are raising with 55 here, but I'm not that adventuresome. Not yet, at least.

99.99% of hands worth playing here are worth raising. You don't have set odds to limp, but you don't need them if you raise. You get position and a pretty damned good hand in a shorthanded pot.

Rob

[ThaSaltCracka]

thanks for the post Entity.

[sublime]

raise preflop, getting the button and hopefull isolating a weak player is sweet.

the rest played itself. as im sure the other replies pointed out. i just wanted to post in a thread where you actually played a hand.

[tolbiny]

" just wanted to post in a thread where you actually played a hand."

That's the only reason i am reading the thread now.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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i just wanted to post in a thread where you actually played a hand.

[/ QUOTE ] LMAO, tell you what, I am going to get your post count up because I will be posting atleast one hand from each session I play from now on.

[arkady]

bud,

The number of posts is like looking at someone's stack size. You have no idea how they got that stack size, but it might very well have NOTHING to do with their poker skills.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
bud,

The number of posts is like looking at someone's stack size. You have no idea how they got that stack size, but it might very well have NOTHING to do with their poker skills.

[/ QUOTE ]what are you trying to say? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Entity]

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bud,

The number of posts is like looking at someone's stack size. You have no idea how they got that stack size, but it might very well have NOTHING to do with their poker skills.

[/ QUOTE ]what are you trying to say? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

He might be suggesting that you don't properly know how to straddle.

Rob

[ThaSaltCracka]

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bud,

The number of posts is like looking at someone's stack size. You have no idea how they got that stack size, but it might very well have NOTHING to do with their poker skills.

[/ QUOTE ]what are you trying to say? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

He might be suggesting that you don't properly know how to straddle.

Rob

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no, no, no. GoT, The Dude, and Schaefer all taught me how to properly straddle. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[arkady]

lol, nothing at you personally Cracka /images/graemlins/smile.gif But people do have a tendency to overvalue post counts, just as some ring players overvalue stack sizes.

First time I saw you post, I looked in your bio trying to find the name Brunson somewhere.

[ThaSaltCracka]

its coo homie

btw, Brunson is my uncle.

[arkady]

I would bet that Brunson's nephews would be playing 150-300 somewhere /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
I would bet that Brunson's nephews would be playing 150-300 somewhere /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]who says I don't?

[arkady]

"Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter"

[wacki]

Damn, Salt. Your posts are going to become my favorite in SS. I didn't realize you were so popular. I knew people like you, but damn..... Can't remember the last time I've seen John Nickle post in SS.

[ThaSaltCracka]

I like to LAG it up with the low rollers from time to time.

[ThaSaltCracka]

what can I say Wacki, people are attracted to me because of my positive attitude. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[wacki]

I don't doubt it, I hope I have the honor of meeting you one day.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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I don't doubt it, I hope I have the honor of meeting you one day.

[/ QUOTE ]you too man, but more than likely I'll see you on TV accepting a Nobel award for science or something.

Plus, I don't ever forsee myself going to Indiana, ever.

[sublime]

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you too man, but more than likely I'll see you on TV accepting a Nobel award for science or something.

Plus, I don't ever forsee myself going to Indiana, ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

your a 'nonsense talk' addict

[ThaSaltCracka]

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you too man, but more than likely I'll see you on TV accepting a Nobel award for science or something.

Plus, I don't ever forsee myself going to Indiana, ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

your a 'nonsense talk' addict

[/ QUOTE ] call me Seinfeld.

Well, actually Jerry is my uncle. I wrote some for his show.

[arkady]

I envy your Holiday parties.

[BottlesOf]

Great post. If you want to transitoin from being a decent player to good player, you need to recognize that SSH is just a guidline (albeit, a very good one), a guideline that wasn't written for 2+2ers but rather the general fishy population who want to get better. It is limited in scope, as you noted, and neglects a lot of SH situations that don't typically come up in LL games.

[wacki]

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Plus, I don't ever forsee myself going to Indiana, ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

My time in Indiana is limited in months. Unless I go to Los Alamos, I will be taking a job on a coastal city. Seattle and California very likely but right now MA is at the top of the list. Who knows where I will end up at....

[wacki]

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you too man, but more than likely I'll see you on TV accepting a Nobel award for science or something.

Plus, I don't ever forsee myself going to Indiana, ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

your a 'nonsense talk' addict

[/ QUOTE ]

Why???

[sthief09]

ironically everyone but TSC is making stupid OT comments. I think he understands the hand now. can we let this die now?

[stabn]

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no, no, no. GoT, The Dude, and Schaefer all taught me how to properly straddle.


[/ QUOTE ]
Bitch.

Also, you still haven't proved that you actually know how to straddle without a rock.

[The Stranger]

I like your style.